NBA Draft 2014

[cytown]

When he's on, Marble is a nice scorer. He can't do much else, he's not consistent, and he lacks heart. Congrats to him for tricking someone into a shot, but he's not a pro.

The Magic GM had quotes (in the DM Reg today, btw) about how versatile and well rounded Marble's game is. Lots of scouts had similar notes leading up to this draft. Again, not a shock he got drafted in the 2nd round. Its not like he was taken #2 overall.

Also, you make it sound like the kid lied on his application for a job or something when you say "congrats to him for tricking someone into a shot". Then adding in "he lacks heart" convinces me you just really don't like the kid and are throwing **** on the wall and seeing what sticks.

 

[Mr Janny]

Pie in the sky suggestions like if someone is drafted, my opinion is that they should make an attempt at playing in the NBA? Alright. Any change to draft age or requirements would probably be a pie in the sky suggestion too I suppose.

It's Pie in the Sky because using draft picks on foreign players is too useful of a tool for teams looking to maintain cap room. They're not going to give it up just because a few American players don't get drafted and have to go the undrafted free agent route instead.

 

[MNCyGuy]

Yes.

So in your ideal situation the NBA should dilute it's talent pool just to meet some half-baked ideal about rewarding the best college players? The NBA has some competitive balance and tanking issues, but that idea would do nothing to fix them.

 

[cytown]

This was a worthwhile response. You act as if I said I was going to do something about it.



I didn't say anything about fair. I said it's stupid. It doesn't make any sense to me. "Oh, here's a guy with a lot of upside. We are going to pick him, not see him for two years, and to top it off we basically have to recruit him because at any point, he can resign overseas and never come here. Yeah, we'll take all of that instead of Cleanthony Early, Patrick Young, Sean Kilpatrick and CJ Fair.

It doesn't make any sense to you b/c you either haven't take the time to understand, or simply lack the ability to understand, how the NBA's cap, contract and roster rules work.

 

[CyJack13]

So in your ideal situation the NBA should dilute it's talent pool just to meet some half-baked ideal about rewarding the best college players? The NBA has some competitive balance and tanking issues, but that idea would do nothing to fix them.

The ironic thing about Tre's plan is that it would actually keep more guys about of the NBA. It's like what happened to Pierre Jackson last year. He couldn't reach a deal with the Pelicans, so he went overseas then came back to play in the D-League and played very well but since the Pelicans held his rights, no other team could call him up and since the Pelicans didn't want to sign him, he was stuck between the D-League and overseas with no shot at playing in the NBA.

 

[Tre4ISU]

So in your ideal situation the NBA should dilute it's talent pool just to meet some half-baked ideal about rewarding the best college players? The NBA has some competitive balance and tanking issues, but that idea would do nothing to fix them.

It wouldn't dilute anything. I didn't say NO FOREIGN PLAYERS. I said that I think someone who enters their name into the draft should be willing to actually play in the NBA right away. If they plan on playing in the NBA they would get here and just be in the draft two years later. Furthermore, if that is acceptable for players overseas, why is there an age limit? Why can't we do the same thing with high schoolers. Let them be drafted, play in college for two years and then go to their team. As it stands, they are basically just giving themselves a one year evaluation period which is barely accurate. It does nothing for the kid as they have to go to a semester of classes and like I said, it really isn't much more accurate. It costs someone like Wiggins or Parker money.

 

[MNCyGuy]

The ironic thing about Tre's plan is that it would actually keep more guys about of the NBA. It's like what happened to Pierre Jackson last year. He couldn't reach a deal with the Pelicans, so he went overseas then came back to play in the D-League and played very well but since the Pelicans held his rights, no other team could call him up and since the Pelicans didn't want to sign him, he was stuck between the D-League and overseas with no shot at playing in the NBA.

Yea, adding more picks would do nothing to help guys get in the league unless you made 2nd round picks guaranteed deals, and all that would do is force teams to cut more veteran (and likely better) players. I get that the current draft is annoying to non- or light-NBA fans that mostly care about the draft to see where their favorite players land, but accommodating people like Tre would cost the NBA a lot of very good foreign talent. It would be very stupid on the NBA's part.

 

[Tre4ISU]

The ironic thing about Tre's plan is that it would actually keep more guys about of the NBA. It's like what happened to Pierre Jackson last year. He couldn't reach a deal with the Pelicans, so he went overseas then came back to play in the D-League and played very well but since the Pelicans held his rights, no other team could call him up and since the Pelicans didn't want to sign him, he was stuck between the D-League and overseas with no shot at playing in the NBA.

And I don't like that either. I pretty much don't like anything about NBA signing a roster management.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Yea, adding more picks would do nothing to help guys get in the league unless you made 2nd round picks guaranteed deals, and all that would do is force teams to cut more veteran (and likely better) players. I get that the current draft is annoying to non- or light-NBA fans that mostly care about the draft to see where their favorite players land, but accommodating people like Tre would cost the NBA a lot of very good foreign talent. It would be very stupid on the NBA's part.

How would it cost them talent? Some of those guys picked aren't going to be here anyway for two years. It would delay the rights to that talent but it wouldn't keep it out of the NBA. Besides, some of them don't ever have to come here if they don't want to. I suppose that's the point, so you can dodge the cap and continue to tank like Philly if you want.

 

[Mr Janny]

It wouldn't dilute anything. I didn't say NO FOREIGN PLAYERS. I said that I think someone who enters their name into the draft should be willing to actually play in the NBA right away. If they plan on playing in the NBA they would get here and just be in the draft two years later. Furthermore, if that is acceptable for players overseas, why is there an age limit? Why can't we do the same thing with high schoolers. Let them be drafted, play in college for two years and then go to their team. As it stands, they are basically just giving themselves a one year evaluation period which is barely accurate. It does nothing for the kid as they have to go to a semester of classes and like I said, it really isn't much more accurate. It costs someone like Wiggins or Parker money.

I don't think these foreign players are actively entering their names in the draft. They don't register or anything like that. They're automatically eligible under CBA rules, so teams can draft any of them that they see fit, not just ones that have "entered their names"

 

[Tre4ISU]

I don't think these foreign players are actively entering their names in the draft. They don't register or anything like that. They're automatically eligible under CBA rules, so teams can draft any of them that they see fit.

Well then that changes things. I guess I thought that there was some sort of process.

 

[MNCyGuy]

It wouldn't dilute anything. I didn't say NO FOREIGN PLAYERS. I said that I think someone who enters their name into the draft should be willing to actually play in the NBA right away. If they plan on playing in the NBA they would get here and just be in the draft two years later. Furthermore, if that is acceptable for players overseas, why is there an age limit? Why can't we do the same thing with high schoolers. Let them be drafted, play in college for two years and then go to their team. As it stands, they are basically just giving themselves a one year evaluation period which is barely accurate. It does nothing for the kid as they have to go to a semester of classes and like I said, it really isn't much more accurate. It costs someone like Wiggins or Parker money.

Yea, but the foreign league guys operate in a very different world than the college players do. A guy like Saric signing a new contract right before the draft is an exception. A lot of these kids are locked down to contracts that need to expire or get bought out long before they declare for the draft. If you had a rule in place that forced them to be free of all obligations and able to come over immediately, you might end up missing their prime before they declare or have players opt to just stay in Europe instead of risking months (years?) of lost income if they don't actually get drafted/signed. The NBA would lose out on a lot of good talent.

 

[MNCyGuy]

Another though: why is drafting a prospecting and letting him develop in Europe or the d-league for a couple years any different than MLB developing players in the minors and not forcing them to get called up to the big leagues right away?

 

[Tre4ISU]

Another though: why is drafting a prospecting and letting him develop in Europe or the d-league for a couple years any different than MLB developing players in the minors and not forcing them to get called up to the big leagues right away?

Because I think the MLB has a completely self contained system don't they? I actually think that the MLB system is what the NBA should do. If a guy is blowing up overseas and they want to sign them, they should be able to do that just like baseball does (I realize salary cap issues arise here). I think the age requirement should be operated the same. It would bring better college basketball and it would give someone like WIggins an opportunity to make the money he should right away. What did he gain by that year in college? Nothing but maybe some life lessons.

 

[MNCyGuy]

Because I think the MLB has a completely self contained system don't they? I actually think that the MLB system is what the NBA should do. If a guy is blowing up overseas and they want to sign them, they should be able to do that just like baseball does (I realize salary cap issues arise here). I think the age requirement should be operated the same. It would bring better college basketball and it would give someone like WIggins an opportunity to make the money he should right away. What did he gain by that year in college? Nothing but maybe some life lessons.

Because d-league pays guys a pittance compared to what they make in Europe. And really, while I think the NBA would like to find ways to better utilize the D-league for talent development, why would they put in all the work and money to do something the Euro-leagues are already providing them for free?

 

[MNCyGuy]

Because d-league pays guys a pittance compared to what they make in Europe. And really, while I think the NBA would like to find ways to better utilize the D-league for talent development, why would they put in all the work and money to do something the Euro-leagues are already providing them for free?

Apparently I can't edit my posts to add this:

Of the four big American sports wouldn't hockey be the closest comparison and the NHL is fed into by an even weirder mishmash of college, junior, and foreign leagues than the NBA is. Do they get this kind of goofy complaining from college hockey fans?

 

[Cy$]

who cares about Marble? Congrats to Kane (lakers) and Clyburn (Clippers) on making a summer league team.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Because d-league pays guys a pittance compared to what they make in Europe. And really, while I think the NBA would like to find ways to better utilize the D-league for talent development, why would they put in all the work and money to do something the Euro-leagues are already providing them for free?

For the same reason they have the age requirement for college players they do. They could get to the players sooner. If you bring those Euro guys and guys like a Parker or Wiggins in, I think the D-League could be a more popular product just by infusing that talent. If Wiggins isn't there and goes to the NBA, that brings someone who was capable of NBA minutes back down.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Apparently I can't edit my posts to add this:

Of the four big American sports wouldn't hockey be the closest comparison and the NHL is fed into by an even weirder mishmash of college, junior, and foreign leagues than the NBA is. Do they get this kind of goofy complaining from college hockey fans?

Yes because no one really knows where a guy is going. They will have guys committed and boom, they are off to a pro team. That's a mess if I remember correctly. I like the MLB system. Here's where you went in the draft, take it or leave it, go develop, probably develop some more in our farm system and maybe we'll see you.

 

[Section136]

Those character concerns were present after his father died. As it's apparent now (to those that don't have an agenda), Kane acted out of character previously. If you don't understand that, you're a trolling moron. I guess I kinda went full circle there, didn't I.

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