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DandyCyclone said:
You absolutely cannot deny the Mario Chalmers recruitment and how sketchy it was. It is worse than what UNLV is doing for Rashad Vaughn or Seton Hall and Isaiah Whitehead.
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Let's look at the actual facts of the recruitment of Mario Chalmers. Ronnie Chalmers coached basketball for more than 20 years in the Air Force before coaching his son's high school team (to two state titles I might add). Not exactly the "five eyars of experience" that the Mizzou blog reports. Mario committed to Kansas in mid-May and Self and Ronnie Chalmers did not even have discussions about any type of job until mid-June when Self found out that Mario's parents were planning to move to Lawrence. And agin, the job that he got, Director of Basketball Operations, is a glorified gopher position where your primary job is to make sure that the team has what it needs when it goes on the road. To imply that "only five years of coaching experience" (which isn't even true) makes it shady is to ignore the fact that ISU gave Fred Hoiberg the HEAD COACH job with ZERO coaching experience of any type at any level. They wanted to move Danny Manning out of the job and back to Director of Student Athlete Development so that he would have more direct dealing with the athletes in preparation for his career in coaching. They had a competent guy available that would make one of their new players more comfortable to have around. Sorry, but it's only shady if you want it to be and you choose to ignore the actual facts. Again, take what you want from an article written by a Mizzou fan. If you're dumb enough to believe anything you read word for word simply because it was printed on the internet then there's really no hope for you.
 
Did the KU guy get 9 days mostly because he was too stupid to operate within the "safety net" provided by the public officials who have been corrupted by KU donors? If anything, the arrests and citations in Ames show that athletes aren't given a pass by the police. Can you imagine the life of the officer in Lawrence who gives a citation to a KU one and done? They probably have something in their police oath about allegiance to Bill Self.
 
twocoach said:
Let's look at the actual facts of the recruitment of Mario Chalmers. Ronnie Chalmers coached basketball for more than 20 years in the Air Force before coaching his son's high school team (to two state titles I might add). Not exactly the "five eyars of experience" that the Mizzou blog reports. Mario committed to Kansas in mid-May and Self and Ronnie Chalmers did not even have discussions about any type of job until mid-June when Self found out that Mario's parents were planning to move to Lawrence. And agin, the job that he got, Director of Basketball Operations, is a glorified gopher position where your primary job is to make sure that the team has what it needs when it goes on the road. To imply that "only five years of coaching experience" (which isn't even true) makes it shady is to ignore the fact that ISU gave Fred Hoiberg the HEAD COACH job with ZERO coaching experience of any type at any level. They wanted to move Danny Manning out of the job and back to Director of Student Athlete Development so that he would have more direct dealing with the athletes in preparation for his career in coaching. They had a competent guy available that would make one of their new players more comfortable to have around. Sorry, but it's only shady if you want it to be and you choose to ignore the actual facts. Again, take what you want from an article written by a Mizzou fan. If you're dumb enough to believe anything you read word for word simply because it was printed on the internet then there's really no hope for you.
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Why are you here?
 
twocoach said:
They did not get away with the recruiting violations. They were punished for them. To say that the article is a bit loose with the facts would be putting it mildly. Entertaining read, though.
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And I'd love to get into the actual facts about Don Davis, the "Kansas booster" who gave Darnell jackson impermissable benefits.http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/nov/16/jackson_punished_gift_violations/Kansas had NO CLUE that there was any type of relationship between the two, as it existed long before Kansas recruited him. And it was KANSAS that reported the situation to the NCAA and KANSAS who suspended Jackson as soon as they learned of it. Yeah, pretty "shady" of Self. Some of the extra benefits that Jackson received were that Davis would drive Jackson's mother from Oklahoma City to Lawrence to watch games since she couldn't drive herself after she was severaly injured in a car accident when hit by a drunk driver, an accident that also killed Jackson's grandmother. Other impermissable benefits were meals since the mother could no longer work and the family struggled financially. Gotta love the ncaa.
 
ribsnwhiskey said:
Since this turned into a KsUck thread, here's another favorite.Stay classy, chickenhawks.http://www2.ljworld.com/news/sports/ku/ticket_investigation/
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The fact that you think that this is some type of BENEFIT to the athletic department only points out how stupid you are. I am sure the athletic department was thrilled when it learned that they were being STOLEN FROM by some employees to the tune of that much money. The good news is that it's a little easier to get tickets now that these thieves aren't holding a bunch over to sell for themselves.
 
twocoach said:
Let's look at the actual facts of the recruitment of Mario Chalmers. Ronnie Chalmers coached basketball for more than 20 years in the Air Force before coaching his son's high school team (to two state titles I might add). Not exactly the "five eyars of experience" that the Mizzou blog reports. Mario committed to Kansas in mid-May and Self and Ronnie Chalmers did not even have discussions about any type of job until mid-June when Self found out that Mario's parents were planning to move to Lawrence. And agin, the job that he got, Director of Basketball Operations, is a glorified gopher position where your primary job is to make sure that the team has what it needs when it goes on the road. To imply that "only five years of coaching experience" (which isn't even true) makes it shady is to ignore the fact that ISU gave Fred Hoiberg the HEAD COACH job with ZERO coaching experience of any type at any level. They wanted to move Danny Manning out of the job and back to Director of Student Athlete Development so that he would have more direct dealing with the athletes in preparation for his career in coaching. They had a competent guy available that would make one of their new players more comfortable to have around. Sorry, but it's only shady if you want it to be and you choose to ignore the actual facts. Again, take what you want from an article written by a Mizzou fan. If you're dumb enough to believe anything you read word for word simply because it was printed on the internet then there's really no hope for you.
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So you really think if Chalmers wasn't in the picture, and Self heard that Ronnie was moving to town, he would have still given him that job. Do you really think that there was no discussion of the job until after he moved to Lawrence. Man, talk about blinders. You are trying to make it sound like that job isn't that great.
 
twocoach said:
Let's look at the actual facts of the recruitment of Mario Chalmers. Ronnie Chalmers coached basketball for more than 20 years in the Air Force before coaching his son's high school team (to two state titles I might add). Not exactly the "five eyars of experience" that the Mizzou blog reports. Mario committed to Kansas in mid-May and Self and Ronnie Chalmers did not even have discussions about any type of job until mid-June when Self found out that Mario's parents were planning to move to Lawrence. And agin, the job that he got, Director of Basketball Operations, is a glorified gopher position where your primary job is to make sure that the team has what it needs when it goes on the road. To imply that "only five years of coaching experience" (which isn't even true) makes it shady is to ignore the fact that ISU gave Fred Hoiberg the HEAD COACH job with ZERO coaching experience of any type at any level. They wanted to move Danny Manning out of the job and back to Director of Student Athlete Development so that he would have more direct dealing with the athletes in preparation for his career in coaching. They had a competent guy available that would make one of their new players more comfortable to have around. Sorry, but it's only shady if you want it to be and you choose to ignore the actual facts. Again, take what you want from an article written by a Mizzou fan. If you're dumb enough to believe anything you read word for word simply because it was printed on the internet then there's really no hope for you.
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Tldr /care
 
twocoach said:
Let's look at the actual facts of the recruitment of Mario Chalmers. Ronnie Chalmers coached basketball for more than 20 years in the Air Force before coaching his son's high school team (to two state titles I might add). Not exactly the "five eyars of experience" that the Mizzou blog reports. Mario committed to Kansas in mid-May and Self and Ronnie Chalmers did not even have discussions about any type of job until mid-June when Self found out that Mario's parents were planning to move to Lawrence. And agin, the job that he got, Director of Basketball Operations, is a glorified gopher position where your primary job is to make sure that the team has what it needs when it goes on the road. To imply that "only five years of coaching experience" (which isn't even true) makes it shady is to ignore the fact that ISU gave Fred Hoiberg the HEAD COACH job with ZERO coaching experience of any type at any level. They wanted to move Danny Manning out of the job and back to Director of Student Athlete Development so that he would have more direct dealing with the athletes in preparation for his career in coaching. They had a competent guy available that would make one of their new players more comfortable to have around. Sorry, but it's only shady if you want it to be and you choose to ignore the actual facts. Again, take what you want from an article written by a Mizzou fan. If you're dumb enough to believe anything you read word for word simply because it was printed on the internet then there's really no hope for you.
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Hoiberg wasn't exactly bringing a prime recruit along with him. Apples, oranges, and tomato soup together for that comparison.
 
CyFy said:
So you really think if Chalmers wasn't in the picture, and Self heard that Ronnie was moving to town, he would have still given him that job. Do you really think that there was no discussion of the job until after he moved to Lawrence. Man, talk about blinders. You are trying to make it sound like that job isn't that great.
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I like too, how he brings up Danny Manning. How ironic. Danny Manning's father was hired as an assistant under Larry Brown at Kansas for the sole purpose of getting Danny to KU. His father had no previous coaching experience. So, it is not like Self is the first coach to do this at KU.
 
Hoiberg>Bill Self in personality, coaching, and hair and it's not even close. TwoCoach is just here because he's scared of what Hoiberg is becoming. Now, please quote me TwoCoach and tell me why I'm not right.
 
twocoach said:
I think I made my point, which is that I wonder if Hoiberg will have the stones to suspend a guy for more than a few games like he should even though the guy is slated to be a starter and McKay isn't available until after first semester. I don't think a two game slap on the wrist is enough.
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http://www2.kusports.com/news/2009/oct/03/ku-guard-morningstar-arrested-suspicion-dwi/

I think this is why duece. Every situation is different and Self would certainly not suspend a player for a semester for a DUI alone.

“We are aware of the situation,â€￾ Self said. “We are also still fact finding. Regardless of the details that concern the reason for him being stopped, he broke team rules that have been much more stringent since last week (following fights between KU basketball and football players). “Brady was in serious violation of curfew,â€￾ Self added of Morningstar “Because of that and his extremely poor judgment last night, I have decided to suspend him for the first semester from all competition and travel. Brady will remain a member of our team and will participate in all other team functions. We will support him through this, but needless to say I am very disappointed in the sequence of events that took place last night.â€￾
 
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