*****LEATH VEISHEA PRESSER LIVE STREAM*****

[Mtowncyclone13]

Very well thought out press conference. President Leath and all those who were involved absolutely made the right decision for the right reasons. Anyone who says otherwise needs to get their priorities straight in my opinion.

Horrible decision. Even worse if its permanently over. Crack down on the trouble makers. Don't screw over the vendors, alumni, and responsible students.

So which one of you is right?

I know I'm in the minority, but I don't see why they can't have the parade. Most of the students don't care about the parade compared to the number of alum that do. I have been looking forward for weeks to taking my son (who is too young to understand why he can't go to the parade) on Saturday. Not to mention all the students who spent hours and thousands of dollars on the parade.

Yeah, I don't understand why they would cancel events were its's sober adults, children, and alumni based on the actions of students off campus.

I have no problem with suspending all nightly activities, concerts, and anything that is at any risk of safety issues. Just don't see why we can't keep the parade. Very upset as an alum.

agree.

Why cancel it this year? All you are doing are eliminating the good things. The partying for this coming weekend is already set in motion. Probably just making it worse by cancelling the other stuff.

totally agree. it's the old "they think im crazy so I'll act crazy mentality. What is there to lose now? Leath just screwed over all the good things for the sake of the few bad apples. I know we aren't a religious school but I often think of Genesis 18 when God spares the city of immoral people because of ten righteous people. Why ruin it for the good people based on the bad?

The tailgating analogy was to illustrate the fact that people get drunk and hurt themselves, or others, during other University sanctioned events, yet we don't blame those events for those negative behaviors. Veishea DOES bring a party atmosphere. But it's not responsible for the misdeeds of a few, and it has brought far more good than bad over the years, and will continue to be that way. Even if someone gets hurt occasionally.

Again, totally agree. No one proposes to cancel football tailgating because people are drunk and stupid. I doubt anyone would ever seriously propose that and remain employed.

 

[cyclone13]

How VEISHEA is going to be revived depends on the students. If the students want to treat is as a chance of getting drunk and thus increasing the risk of riots in the future, then VEISHIA will always be an excuse to party and get drunk.

If the students decide to make it a celebration of our University then, they need to think differently. They need to learn to police their peers, to discourage destructive behavior, not just standing by when people start to riot but leave the premise immediately, stop viewing riot as being "funny" or "cool" or "expected".

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Good luck to students trying to organize anything "unofficial" that's on the scale of VEISHEA. That might fly for a year or two, but interest will eventually fade under those circumstances.

Exactly. The scale of VEISHEA overall is great. The scale of the downside of VEISHEA is small, and easily can happen from "unofficial" events like that seen at U of I, which has been taking place for almost 20 years. VEISHEA's unofficial aspect would have a head start in gaining official "unofficial" status.

 

[RubyClone]

Can someone point out to me when last there was a riot at a Cyclone football game/tailgate?

 

[swarthmoreCY]

I'm sure there would be an unofficial movement, but I don't think it would be to the level you see now.

It does not need to be to have the negatives- a very small segment of VEISHEA has taken it down.

 

[isufbcurt]

So if there are big parties this weekend that turn into trouble what will be the new scapegoat since technically there is no VEISHEA this year?

 

[Cy$]

The only way to bring something like this back is to craft some new tradition with the same original goal.
Since the name of VEISHEA became synonymous with the rioting and excessive drinking, the substitute probably would as well with students and others making some kind of stupid and worthless statement against the decision. At that point, VEISHEA II is the same worthless magnet for trouble.

Cut the tie. End the whole thing. People couldn't handle a nice thing, so it goes away. Life goes on.

Call it Hoiball and it happens for a couple months. Same thing

 

[Dreamyfred]

I see you like your own post so much you gave it a thumbs up.


I believe you are wrong in the majority of students do care about more than just partying. I was one to enjoy Welch during Veishea, but also attended many other events the whole week that had nothing to do with alcohol.

No one wins in this situation, but Leath's hands were tied. I'm sure you'll still be able to find a party.

Yea ending Veishea is punishing all those who enjoy the non-alcoholic activities, and people are still going to party this year and the next, and the next. And yes I love my own posts .

 

[pulse]

With all the cameras out there, there should be some very nervous people out there.

 

[jbhtexas]

Again, totally agree. No one proposes to cancel football tailgating because people are drunk and stupid. I doubt anyone would ever seriously propose that and remain employed.

When was the last time a car was tipped over, a light pole torn down, and a rash of beer bottles thrown around at a FB tailgate?

 

[josh777]

What event did he allow? This was the result of off-campus partying. You will have off-campus parties, VEISHEA or not.

If we disbanded everything that has ever threatened someone's life, the list of approved activities would be short. You think someone has ever gotten hurt while tailgating drunk? Should we end football because of it? Because that's exactly what this is.

I know my rant means nothing, but I'm amazed at the response on this site. Or maybe I shouldn't, because this site is made up of the same kind of fun-hating ******* that shun personal responsibility (I highly doubt that the person who got hit by the pole was an innocent bystander). This attempt to shelter and protect everyone by the powers that be is short sighted and misguided. I accept that I'm on the fringe with this.

I agree with this. In fact, I would argue that if it were not for the kid getting hurt the chances of cancellation are reduced significantly. That's all it takes is someone getting hurt and the fun ends for everyone. Ridiculous IMO that all events are cancelled because of last night's incident. Most of the events on campus are geared toward non-partying students and families anyway...why not let them continue. Instead, release a statement that any kid caught on video participating in future "rioting" will be expelled from school.

 

[Mr Janny]

They won't party this week every year. People are here because it's VEISHEA. If the week isn't labeled next year people aren't just going to show up. It'll be like every other weekend of the year, just with a spring game and Cy's House of Trivia added.

this. If it goes underground, then so be it. Underground means small and easy to control from a "riot" perspective. I think Leath and the Ames PD would take that in a heartbeat.

 

[KnappShack]

Is there any blame to place on the Ames PD?

It's VEISHEA, there's a history of trouble, and it's obvious that crowd control wasn't up to speed.

Not saying the students are totally in the clear, but could it be the APD was caught flat footed? Proper crowd control and this isn't news

 

[tm3308]

It does not need to be to have the negatives- a very small segment of VEISHEA has taken it down.

Like I said, it might work for a year or two. But when you get 3, 4 and 5 years out, I guarantee "unofficial" movements won't have much traction at all. It'll go back to being a typical college drinking week and you won't see anything like last night or 2004.

The goal here is not to eliminate college drinking at ISU (that's just not going to happen). It's to eliminate the riots that only occur during this event (that can absolutely happen).

 

[ZachsterPoke]

Probably should merge all 3 threads.

First thread was for Veishea itself.
Second thread was for Leath's press conference.
Third thread is the post-Veishea thread.

First thread should be locked, since the game's over. Second one could continue as the serious-discussion thread.

 

[Tornado man]

Is there any blame to place on the Ames PD?

It's VEISHEA, there's a history of trouble, and it's obvious that crowd control wasn't up to speed.

Not saying the students are totally in the clear, but could it be the APD was caught flat footed? Proper crowd control and this isn't news

That's great - "hey Ames PD, you should have known that we're punks and like to riot and destroy things - why didn't you stop us first?"

 

[MNCyGuy]

Is there any blame to place on the Ames PD?

It's VEISHEA, there's a history of trouble, and it's obvious that crowd control wasn't up to speed.

Not saying the students are totally in the clear, but could it be the APD was caught flat footed? Proper crowd control and this isn't news

Typically it's not an issue this early in the week. If this had happened later I'm sure they would have been more prepared to disperse the crowd.

 

[KnappShack]

That's great - "hey Ames PD, you should have known that we're punks and like to riot and destroy things - why didn't you stop us first?"

No. It's more like we are going to have a crowd in town and it's the job of the APD to have some control of the situation

This wasn't an impromptu snowball fight that boiled over. This was a known gathering of a group that has had issues before. What was done wasn't right, but a case could be made that the APD did not staff correctly.

Why chance it when there is a history of trouble? It's Tuesday night, boys. No chance of trouble.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Like I said, it might work for a year or two. But when you get 3, 4 and 5 years out, I guarantee "unofficial" movements won't have much traction at all. It'll go back to being a typical college drinking week and you won't see anything like last night or 2004.

Like I said, that has not been the case with Unofficial, an event that would not have the start that an unofficial VEISHEA would have.

 

[Mr Janny]

So if there are big parties this weekend that turn into trouble what will be the new scapegoat since technically there is no VEISHEA this year?

Good luck with that. If you think the Police are going to allow things to get out of control this weekend, then you're in for a rude awakening. I suspect any off campus party that goes even a toe over the line is going to get stepped on, hard. And they won't be telling people to "disperse" either. I suspect they'll just arrest them.