This is now a black-eye for the University that should be suspended indefinitely. I think Universities that don't have Veisha celebrations make out ok. ISU will be no different.
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This is now a black-eye for the University that should be suspended indefinitely. I think Universities that don't have Veisha celebrations make out ok. ISU will be no different.
Well.. that. And the near occupying force of police, sheriff, state troopers, etc and so on that will certainly be out and about.
Did they not have video and arrest people in '04? Legitimately asking because by time I got to campus the whole thing was treated as a ******* joke. I don't like that it might go away, but I understand because in what sane world does a public education institution continue to endorse an event that results in a riot every 10 years? Clearly whatever they've been doing for the past decade isn't working all that well, and nobody seems to have any great preventative ideas. By all means we should punish the people involved this year. Will it do a damn thing about that kid enrolling in 2020? I mean, 18-21 year olds are well known for their ability to learn lessons from history.
CycloneErik
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The only way to bring something like this back is to craft some new tradition with the same original goal.
Since the name of VEISHEA became synonymous with the rioting and excessive drinking, the substitute probably would as well with students and others making some kind of stupid and worthless statement against the decision. At that point, VEISHEA II is the same worthless magnet for trouble.
Cut the tie. End the whole thing. People couldn't handle a nice thing, so it goes away. Life goes on.
Since the name of VEISHEA became synonymous with the rioting and excessive drinking, the substitute probably would as well with students and others making some kind of stupid and worthless statement against the decision. At that point, VEISHEA II is the same worthless magnet for trouble.
Cut the tie. End the whole thing. People couldn't handle a nice thing, so it goes away. Life goes on.
I think some prompt arrests would probably have a better chance of stopping more trouble this week than cancelling everything, because the parties and drinking will probably still happen anyway. Understand why he had to do it though in the event that something else happens this week.
The effect on the University of ending VIESHEA will likely not even be noticed. Time for you to take the tiara off...
Exactly. And they need to understand that choices they make affect more than just themselves.
Unfortunately - I don't think people who generally behave in the manner we saw last night ever "realize" much....
I work in the financial services industry. I didn't cause the collapse in 2008, but I can guarantee you that I am (and you will be as an innocent consumer) dealing on a daily basis with the consequences from overreaction and overregulation. Welcome to the real world.
The seriousness of what happened last night is going to set in very quickly. That's why I don't think there will be any further major incidents. Sure some people will still throw parties. That much is obvious. However, I would be very surprised if we hear about additional rioting.
We'll see who's hunch was correct within the next few days.
We'll see who's hunch was correct within the next few days.
Leath himself would never cancel VEISHEA, it will be a lot of people at work besides him. If there are more riots this weekend, I could see it getting a nice 5 year hiatus, as it should if that happens.
I forgot that Ames turns into the town from Footloose when it's not VEISHEA week. Of course college kids party. But there's only one week a year that seems to have a history of having enough big parties and out-of-town visitors to generate these sorts of incidents. And maybe there weren't full blown riots for the past few years, but it's not like you didn't hear stories about close call incidents during that stretch either.
What event did he allow? This was the result of off-campus partying. You will have off-campus parties, VEISHEA or not.
If we disbanded everything that has ever threatened someone's life, the list of approved activities would be short. You think someone has ever gotten hurt while tailgating drunk? Should we end football because of it? Because that's exactly what this is.
I know my rant means nothing, but I'm amazed at the response on this site. Or maybe I shouldn't, because this site is made up of the same kind of fun-hating ******* that shun personal responsibility (I highly doubt that the person who got hit by the pole was an innocent bystander). This attempt to shelter and protect everyone by the powers that be is short sighted and misguided. I accept that I'm on the fringe with this.
It is one of the largest mediums for connecting Alumni to the University. There are externalities to losing that. Ones that Leath likely cannot internalize or have to deal with due to his brief time as a member of the Iowa State community.
