Make an argument by defending the KKK - that really gives you a lot of credibility.
Jeff Orr...Super fan?
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Make an argument by defending the KKK - that really gives you a lot of credibility.
I think you missed my point. The point is that physical violence is inexcusable of any kind unless you are physically threatened or already being physically abused. Is it plausible more is said? Yes, sure, because there's nothing proving of the negative. However, there is no eyewitness account of a racial slur being said and there's no proof of it. They've already done their job in interviewing people around there, including Smart's own teammate.
Even if a racial slur was said, there's no excuse for physical violence. Acting out violently because someone called you a name is extremely immature and uncalled for. There's a reason why MLK Jr.'s stuff never really resulted in violence.
What you heard a racial slur? That's the problem. Smart made a nasty allegation and has absolutely no proof of it and yet morons want the accused to prove a negative. How about Smart prove his pathetic allegations? Orr didn't run down on the court and shove Smart.
Really? I stated a fact of why the KKK can say racial **** in the US and get away with it if they're non violent and non threatening about what they say, and not be arrested. If you think that's me "defending" the KKK, then you're not very bright.
Oh for the record, I'm a minority and I very much dislike any organization which preaches hate against any group, especially ones based on generalizations and stereotypes. I'm not defending the KKK. I'm stating how a part of "freedom of speech" in our country works. If you have trouble understanding that, then may God help you. The only prescendent now for which it's illegal to say racial slurs is if you're at work because it creates a hostile environment.
Let me state this more clearly: There was no reason for Marcus Smart to act out physically against someone even if what they said was the N-word. I'm not defending anybody here - I think both Jeff Orr and Marcus Smart are ******* idiots for what they did.
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A agree with the general sentiment on here. Smart should not have done what he did, but there is no way he did that to a guy that yelled something innocent. The fact that the guy has apologized and said that he will not attend any more games this year is basically an admission that he said something terrible. No way would he do that if he said something like "you're beat" or "you're crap". And no way Smart wheels around when he heard it if all he said was that.
Smart should get suspended, but there is no reason that these kids should ever have to put up with racial slurs. There is no place for that.
Smart should get suspended, but there is no reason that these kids should ever have to put up with racial slurs. There is no place for that.
That video means nothing and changes nothing. You are all really just speculating as to exactly what is said. You can't hear everything. And for the 1000th time, it doesn't matter what Orr said; Smart was wrong to even go up and speak to him during the game let alone touch him.
Pretty sure he was making a point on free speech....but your kinda busy trolling...so might have missed it,
anyway....the video doesn't do much for me. Orr texting someone saying and admitting he said something real bad combined with Smarts reaction....leads me to think it was more than "piece of crap".
Your ticket..is not a free pass to be a moron, his scholarship is not a piece of paper that says hate speech is ok because I'm a full ride athlete.
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I did miss your point, at least if it was made in your responses to my posts. And I completely agree with you that physical violence is inexcusable no matter what was said. But I also think you missed the point to my posts (and it is certainly possible I didn't articulate it clearly). Which is, I always find it troubling when inconclusive evidence like this is relied on to prove something it doesn't. The video proves that Smart hit the stantion of the basket and that someone in the crowd said "you piece of crap." It does little more than that. The reason to believe that Orr didn't say anything racial and that Smart lied about it is that there is no evidence that Orr did and that should be enough unless something else comes out, but this video shouldn't be the reason to believe that.
That's exactly what my point was. Apparently stating facts about how certain laws work is not valid because it's using an example of how a bad organization can get away with doing certain things in the US's justice system.
Anyway, the thing about "there's no possible way he could have reacted that way to something that innocent." I think people are sitting back and saying too much of what they would do. First of all, it was a hostile environment and Marcus Smart's team just basically lost the game. There was under 10 seconds left when that foul was called. Smart's team has been losing and he came back so he could take them to the Final 4. Have you guys ever had anger management issues? I have and can speak from experience. I can't tell you the stupid **** that I used to get ****** at every single day. It was really ridiculous. I actually feel embarrassed when I think back to some of these things.
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Hey twocoach, I'm quite sure the BYU student section didn't "scream obscenities" at Ejim, but were taunting him with the annoying "left-right" chant as he made his way to the bench - this is the "NORM". Furthermore, it is not any fan's right to scream obscenities at a game - this is offensive not only to the players/referees but also the other civil acting fans - especially those with impressionable kids. If I hear a fan screaming obscenities or making obscene gestures, I will text security to have them removed from the arena.
I know what you're saying, but in the end there's no evidence out there that says that he said a racial slur. No eyewitnesses, and not in the video. I agree that doesn't mean it wasn't said, but at this point, there's nothing saying he did by anybody or any piece of evidence. There's a reason why the justice system is set up the way it is - you can't just claim something and get away with it unless there's evidence supporting you.
Heres what I know.....
-Smart melted down and shoved a fan and claimed a racial remark
-Orr texted someone saying he said "something really bad"
-Orr isn't coming to any more games this year
-Orr has a history of crap behavior at games
so if you want to believe Smart made it all up because he was mad in those final seconds and melted down on national tv knowing he's a high draft prospect...and that Orr is guilt ridden over saying "piece of crap" and not coming to any more games over it...and admitting he said something bad (which POC doesn't seem too bad)....knock yourself out. I think you can guess what I think of your intelligence level...but hey...go for it.
Leave it to the "beaker" to remind us that video evidence is pretty worthless. After all, if video evidence can't help void a dead ball three made between free throws by the other team, why should we expect it to help clarify an allegation of racism?
They're both idiots. Orr for saying what he did, no matter WHAT it is, and Smart for even reacting to it, let alone actually resulting to something physical. Any person with any sense of morality would never defend either one of these guys.
I agree...completely agree.
fan decorum is just pretty pathetic right now. I hope like the Ron artest incident this can bring some changes to fan behavior at games....it's a shame smart did what he did....but Orr would have continued this behavior if it hadn't....schools need to do a better job at security....especially now that EVERYONE runs the court after wins.
Take it easy on twocoach. The Kansas fans probably won't let him play over in their sandbox anymore, so we get to put up with him.
If you still think that a racial slur was used, why did Smart apologize to Orr,then? No ifs ands or buts about it.
If someone used a racial slur on me, and I was being forced to apologize, I'd sooner sit out the rest of the year than do that. There would be plenty of media outlets to back him up in his decision, too, and would give him plenty of coverage and support.
If someone used a racial slur on me, and I was being forced to apologize, I'd sooner sit out the rest of the year than do that. There would be plenty of media outlets to back him up in his decision, too, and would give him plenty of coverage and support.
Sure, he would continue, but in the end it's no excuse for a player to even going up to him let alone pushing him. There are fans at major colleges saying bad stuff to players all the time. When I was at ISU, I would tell players they sucked in my freshman year. I'd purposely get a seat near the opposing team's tunnel just so I could give them ****. I never let it get worse than "You ******* SUCK!!!" Only one player ever reacted to me, and that was Devin Smith of Virginia. All he did was smile and laugh at me, shake his head, and walk to the locker room. The other ones didn't even react and I realized that these schools probably make their players go through training so they learn to not react because it's so commonplace.
I guess "two" in his username refers to the allowed number of staff positions that are reserved for coaches who can deliver either their star AAU players or their own McDAA children.
