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Re: Sorry, but this teams coaching staff is pathetic

UNIGuy4Cy said:
Watching Jake Waters is all you need to know on how bad Messingham has been at developing quarterbacks. Steele Jantz had way more raw talent than Waters but Waters has surpassed anything Jantz did in two years here.
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Actually I agree with this. Steele had all the tools to be really really good and was never developed. And we saw what happened. He was systemaatically destroyed.

Barnett somehow led us to the biggest win in school histroy and a year later he could barely throw a forward pass.


Rohach has all the tools you want to see. We shall see.
 
Re: Sorry, but this teams coaching staff is pathetic

State43 said:
Lol, another thread? Mods, do your job.
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jbhtexas said:
Why would it look horrible to potential coaches? It looks like ISU will end with a 2-win season in the coach's fifth year, four losing seasons in a row, the offense has been terrible for five years, and the QB management/development has been a disaster for the last four years. I doubt that any potential coaches are going to hold a grudge against ISU for trying to improve that.

The Big 12 is stable for at least another decade because of the GOR, so no potential coach has to worry about ISU getting dumped to a lesser conference for the near future, and the ISU AD is as financially well off as it ever has been, and in a position to go out and spend cash to make a Johnny Orr type hire.

Of course, Rhoad's huge contract buyout will kill any such notion of a coaching change, but other than that, I think it would be as good a time as any to make a head coaching change. There would likely be naysayers in the media, but that's always the case.
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Who the hell is this team going to beat? It isn't 2012, we don't get to play Tulsa again.
 
Which is scarier?

Scenario 1 - CPR gave full keys of offensive car to Mess without true executive direction or guidance.

Scenario 2 - Mess is operating within the system framework CPR conceived

I think an inexperienced head coach was faced with replacing a coordinator. He either didn't seek help or chose to just hire more inexperience. Then compounding things, faced with an overall lack of understanding of offensive philosophy, stepped back from managing his offense.

The loss of program momentum lies squarely on CPR or the AD for not providing consultants to provide direction.
 
Chipper said:
I think an inexperienced head coach was faced with replacing a coordinator. He either didn't seek help or chose to just hire more inexperience. Then compounding things, faced with an overall lack of understanding of offensive philosophy, stepped back from managing his offense.
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We need a guy who can basically run the offense himself. Rhoads is a defensive guy. I think an offensive mind with both OC and HC experience would be ideal. Consider me on #TeamMangino
 
klamath632 said:
We got dominated by a 5-5 FCS team that just finally got their first conference win today. I'm not taking any D-1 team for granted, even one like KU. Both teams stink worse than a bottled fart.
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I'm not saying we're good enough to beat Kansas necessarily. But I think Kansas is bad enough to lose to us.
 
CyFan61 said:
We need a guy who can basically run the offense himself. Rhoads is a defensive guy. I think an offensive mind with both OC and HC experience would be ideal. Consider me on #TeamMangino
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Not saying either direction is right. Problem with that kind is experience is they often come with their own identity. Then there is an odd primary succession of players recruited or coached to that system.

Mangino and the systems IState have been focused on and failed to implement seem dependent on athletic QB, speed and skill players. For as much as the (lack of) recruiting is highlighted why continue to out in systems to dependent on those?

I'm not saying go full 3 TE sets. But it's going to be much easier route to build off of power run/pro style.

My name would be Matt Canada at NC State who has experience with mix of systems and using players that are available (Big ankled white men at N. Illinois and WI).
 
Chipper said:
Which is scarier?

Scenario 1 - CPR gave full keys of offensive car to Mess without true executive direction or guidance.

Scenario 2 - Mess is operating within the system framework CPR conceived

I think an inexperienced head coach was faced with replacing a coordinator. He either didn't seek help or chose to just hire more inexperience. Then compounding things, faced with an overall lack of understanding of offensive philosophy, stepped back from managing his offense.

The loss of program momentum lies squarely on CPR or the AD for not providing consultants to provide direction.
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Great post - my thinking exactly. When Messingham was named OC, Rhoads jokingly (?) said at the presser that now he has an OC that will "keep me informed." I'd like to think that our HC has enough confidence and knowledge to have input on offensive philosophy, offensive game plans, etc. CPR should have his hands around the throat of the entire program. Way too much delegation, IMO.
 
Clearly some changes need to happen on the offensive side of the ball. The more college football I watch, the more I'm convinced we have one of, if not the worst offense among BCS teams.

I'm still firmly behind Rhoads but hopefully this is a wake up call that he can't delegate/ignore the offense in the future.
 
cycloneworld said:
Clearly some changes need to happen on the offensive side of the ball. The more college football I watch, the more I'm convinced we have one of, if not the worst offense among BCS teams.

I'm still firmly behind Rhoads but hopefully this is a wake up call that he can't delegate/ignore the offense in the future.
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I have the opposite view. I think Rhoads should stick with what he knows which is defense and let the offensive coordinator run the offense.

If they tried to hire a proven OC now they would have a difficult time trying to get one to take the job. OC works with a quarterback all week giving him the majority of reps with first team offense and Rhoads pulls him in the second quarter and puts the backup in the game. It has happened with two offensive coordinators so we know it isn't them, it is the HC.

I disagree about the coaches being fired but Rhoads needs to do some soul searching about how he is doing things.
 
Every day Mess is still employed, CPR's seat gets hotter and hotter.

If we don't win a bowl next year, firing CPR should be on the table. Snyder's second stint started when we hired CPR and both programs were in the same state. Now, KSU has had a few amazing seasons, and this year, their "down year," they annihilated us.

Pretty much every school in the entire country would fire their coach after a season like this. Our own ineptitude is largely self-inflicted.
 
This is the worse ISU offense since 1994 and one of the worse in the NCAA. If it wasn't for a fake punt they would have put up all of 3 points today. Yes changes have to be made.
 
CyFan61 said:
We need a guy who can basically run the offense himself. Rhoads is a defensive guy. I think an offensive mind with both OC and HC experience would be ideal. Consider me on #TeamMangino
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He was in Cedar Falls today where his Penguins lost a close one to the Panthers . . . maybe someone asked him, "Hey, can you just take a quick 90 minute swing out of your way???"
 
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