***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

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but if they really wanted to start making inroads to the south, getting Nebby, Rutgers and Maryland really doesn't do it for youl.

There are your keys. As pointed out above, NU gets them to KU, OU, UT. MD gets them down the east coast to FL.
 
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By that logic they would have taken Mizzou over Nebby! That didn't happen. Not saying the B1G doesn't want to get to 20, but if they really wanted to start making inroads to the south, getting Nebby, Rutgers and Maryland really doesn't do it for you. Especially when Mizzou, WVU, and Louisville. Those three schools would have allowed them to start to move south and Mizzou is the only one that was truly sniffed, mostly due to academics. There was tons of grumbling about Virginia, Duke, UNC but I don't know if any of those were real.

You are going to tell me that Mizzou got passed over by the B1G because of academics? Mizzou is an AAU school, and Nebraska was on the way out of the AAU at the time they were added. That was not a total surprise to anyone. If Mizzou was left out for academics, Nebby wouldn't be in the B1G today.
 
You are going to tell me that Mizzou got passed over by the B1G because of academics? Mizzou is an AAU school, and Nebraska was on the way out of the AAU at the time they were added. That was not a total surprise to anyone. If Mizzou was left out for academics, Nebby wouldn't be in the B1G today.

I think he's saying that Mizzou, WVU, and L'ville would have been better "gets" due to geography, but the only one that the Big Ten was even remotely interested in was Mizzou, due to their higher academic standing.
 
I'm still hoping the Big 12 & SEC merge someday to cut off the big ten. It would be 24 contiguous teams (except WV) and would re-introduce the TX/TAM & KU/MU rivalries. Doubt it will ever happen, though.
 
I don't see that as even a remote possibility.

To get to 20, the B1G could go:

Kansas
Missouri
Oklahoma
Texas

Or:

Virginia
North Carolina
Georgia Tech
Clemson / Virginia Tech

Or some combination of the two (i.e. Mizzou, OU, Texas, UVA).

And they still remain contiguous while adding states and adding value to their TV contracts. ISU adds no value there whatsoever. Sad reality is that money drives the train.

You're forgetting that in order to get to 20, the Big 10 would have to add 6 teams.
 
You're forgetting that in order to get to 20, the Big 10 would have to add 6 teams.


If their goal is to get to 20 so that the schedules are more manageable plus a conference championship game, is that really much different than what the Big 12 is right now if the Big 12 were to just add a conference championship game? I don't really see what the advantage would be with 20 teams, other than more money. I also don't how 20 teams would get them more money unless it destroyed another conference in the process, which seems unlikely. Lastly, wouldn't a 20 team conference eventually break up into two, 10-team conferences anyway taking everyone back to square one?
 
If their goal is to get to 20 so that the schedules are more manageable plus a conference championship game, is that really much different than what the Big 12 is right now if the Big 12 were to just add a conference championship game? I don't really see what the advantage would be with 20 teams, other than more money. I also don't how 20 teams would get them more money unless it destroyed another conference in the process, which seems unlikely. Lastly, wouldn't a 20 team conference eventually break up into two, 10-team conferences anyway taking everyone back to square one?

Four five-team divisions, play every team in your division every year, and rotate the other divisions into your schedule every third year. There's eight conference games. The ninth conference game is to see who plays in the conference championship game. The winners of Division A and B play each other for one CCG berth, the winners of Division C and D play each other for the other CCG berth. The remaining teams all play similar games (A2 v. B2, C2 v. D2) etc.

Or you could simplify it and just have two divisions, each with a round robin. Each division winner gets a berth in the CCG. I don't see the point of a conference where half of the teams never play each other though.
 
I don't see that as even a remote possibility.

To get to 20, the B1G could go:

Kansas
Missouri
***Oklahoma*** NOT AAU
Texas

Or:

Virginia
North Carolina
Georgia Tech
***Clemson / Virginia Tech*** NOT AAU

Or some combination of the two (i.e. Mizzou, OU, Texas, UVA).

And they still remain contiguous while adding states and adding value to their TV contracts. ISU adds no value there whatsoever. Sad reality is that money drives the train.

This leaves KU, MU, UT, UVA, UNC, & GT to get to 20. UT won't go, which puts you back to 19. They'll add Colorado to get to 20.
 
I don't see the point of a conference where half of the teams never play each other though.

That's the sticking point I feel. I know here on tobacco road, most people wish they could go back to when the ACC was just 8 teams. Most Iowa State and Nebraska fans I know wish they could go back to the days of the old Big 8. Ten teams definitely seems like it will help form long term rivalries, just like Malchow was saying in his blog a few weeks or months ago. More teams brings more money, but with consequences. Ten seems like a perfect balance for the Big 12 though, despite the contradictory name.
 
I'm still hoping the Big 12 & SEC merge someday to cut off the big ten. It would be 24 contiguous teams (except WV) and would re-introduce the TX/TAM & KU/MU rivalries. Doubt it will ever happen, though.

Tinfoil hat #1...since it kind of slow today...
The Big Ten cruises down the midwest raiding the Big 12. They grab KU, OU, UT. Next they grab Colorado, Arizona, USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, and Washington to fulfill their geographically contiguous requirement. The SEC gobbles up FSU, Miami, Clemson, UNC, NC State, Virginia, and VT. There you have your play-for-pay league, or more likely, a new league that breaks away from the NCAA.

Tinfoil hat #2...
Why did the Big Ten take NU over MU? Both would serve the geographic link to marching down to Texas, and MU was the better academic school. Perhaps it was decided by certain colluding partners that the Big Ten would get NU, and the SEC would get MU. Probably an easier sell all around to get NU into the Big Ten than NU into the SEC.
 
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The SEC gobbles up FSU, Miami, Clemson, UNC, NC State, Virginia, and VT. There you have your play-for-pay league, or more likely, a new league that breaks away from the NCAA.

No conference with their own network will be taking 2 new teams from the same state.
 
A la carte isn't happening. Or at least not the way everyone thinks.

And "a la carte" won't destroy the Big 10 revenue. It's going to destroy everyone's revenue (read: ESPN), so it's a wash anyway.
 
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The "a la carte" will be a fad and nothing more. The prices will eliminate this entirely. I think if an a la carte option is viable, it would have to be web only.

I've been hoping a la carte would happen, at least on the web, for along time, but it looks rather dead in the water at this point. ESPN drove the dagger when they moved most everything anybody would want to watch to WatchESPN and tied it to a cable TV subscription, and there was really no meaningful negative reaction to the move. There's just no monetary incentive for either the carriers or content providers to do it. The consumers certainly don't seem organized enough to force a la carte by dropping cable/satellite subscriptions.
 
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