***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

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Some more crap from the Dude's radio show tonight is that Cincinnati and BYU are 11 and 12 if Div 4 happens.

That dipstick claims that the B12 will be forced to add 2 teams in order to have a FB CCG. There is no way anyone else can force the B12 to do that and enable TV revenue paycuts for the existing 10 teams.
 
Disney is now forcing ESPN to dump assets (e.g. radio stations) and lay off employees. They likely won't be able to engage in a bidding war with Fox in the upcoming negotiations for the B10's Tier 1 and 2 rights. As a result, the B10 will not get as much from those negotiations are previously expected assuming Comcast/NBC and Turner do not get actively involved like they have in the past.

frankly, i hope you're right. we are forcing too many dollars into collegiate sports and ending up with lost rivalries, semi-pro leagues and johnny cashballs.
 
A column about expansion...aiming at the Big 10...but this guy's ideas would put a hurting on us! Just thought I would pass it along...

Big 10 Will Expand to 20 eventually – Texas and Oklahoma Will Be Among Them | KentSterling.com
Not reading the blog, but does he mention that the Big 10 requires that it's members all be geographically connected? Also the Big 12 won't be poached until the GOR expires. I don't care how attractive Texas looks, you won't bring them into the conference just to be dead weight for a few years.
 
He does mention the contiguous states thing...and NO...I am not Kent Sterling. Whether or not you agree with the guy or even read him...he does post some good stuff. I just linked it because it is provoking...and yes it does re-hash some of the ideas we have discussed a lot around here. Not a homer for the Big 10 if you read his stuff and is usually very critical of the NCAA even though he is located at the heart of the organization (Indy). He writes about a lot of topics...not just college realignment. To those who only want to be exposed to ideas you think are correct...sorry I posted the link.

This guy ran the ESPN station in St Louis for awhile until some family circumstances created a situation where he needed to relocate to Indy.
 
He does mention the contiguous states thing...and NO...I am not Kent Sterling. Whether or not you agree with the guy or even read him...he does post some good stuff. I just linked it because it is provoking...and yes it does re-hash some of the ideas we have discussed a lot around here. Not a homer for the Big 10 if you read his stuff and is usually very critical of the NCAA even though he is located at the heart of the organization (Indy). He writes about a lot of topics...not just college realignment. To those who only want to be exposed to ideas you think are correct...sorry I posted the link.

This guy ran the ESPN station in St Louis for awhile until some family circumstances created a situation where he needed to relocate to Indy.

It isn't "provoking", it is just a bad rehash of things that have been said 1,000,000 times before. It adds zero things that aren't widely known. It adds zero things that aren't well understood, and it adds zero of anything else. I could say your mother slept with the entire football team last night and that would be "provoking" but that wouldn't make it worth saying or worth repeating.
 
It is provoking in the definition of the word. Also, not everyone has time to spend on sports or conference realignment to know what has been said 1,000,000 times before. I will submit to you any link for your approval before I post in the future. Didn't mean to get you all upset...hope it didn't ruin your day. My bad...
 
I read it and it's as dumb as I figured it would be. Any of the reasons they give for UT going to the B10 is absurd. Not to mention all these other teams that were in the B10 left almost solely because of Texas and now you think they will be cool with being in the same conference with them again? And that isn't even getting into the whole idea that Texas is going to hand over it's power to a bunch of northern schools. Silly laugh, nothing more.
 
Good column - thanks for the link. And the last two sentences are so true:

"Money is key. And Grant of Rights are just exit fees."
 
I read it and it's as dumb as I figured it would be. Any of the reasons they give for UT going to the B10 is absurd. Not to mention all these other teams that were in the B10 left almost solely because of Texas and now you think they will be cool with being in the same conference with them again? And that isn't even getting into the whole idea that Texas is going to hand over it's power to a bunch of northern schools. Silly laugh, nothing more.

Not my job to defend this Kent Sterling...but you said any reason "they" give for the reasons why Texas might end up in the Big Ten is "absurd". His basic reasoning is they will move due to money! That is what the entire realignment is about...so at least that part isn't absurd.

I agree with him that at some point the political scene in Texas will allow the university to move on its own without the sister schools being carried on UT's back.
 
Not my job to defend this Kent Sterling...but you said any reason "they" give for the reasons why Texas might end up in the Big Ten is "absurd". His basic reasoning is they will move due to money! That is what the entire realignment is about...so at least that part isn't absurd.

I agree with him that at some point the political scene in Texas will allow the university to move on its own without the sister schools being carried on UT's back.

I think deeper than that, control is equal if not more important than a couple extra million dollars. They will not give that up, especially with their own network already in place.
 
All you have to do is look at this picture to see what the problem is.

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The Big Ten is the only one of the 5 major conferences that does not have exposure in the south. The south is 1) where the football talent is concentrated, and 2) where the largest US population growth is taking place (i.e. new TV markets). The Big Ten needs southern exposure, and will destroy college athletics as we know it to get that exposure.
 
All you have to do is look at this picture to see what the problem is.

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The Big Ten is the only one of the 5 major conferences that does not have exposure in the south. The south is 1) where the football talent is concentrated, and 2) where the largest US population growth is taking place (i.e. new TV markets). The Big Ten needs southern exposure, and will destroy college athletics as we know it to get that exposure.

Which explains entirely why the B1G expanded into New Jersey and Maryland. BTW, your map is wrong.
 
If the Big 10 went to 20, we might actually be in consideration.

Still don't think this happens. Realignment is killing fan interest and will eventually hurt ratings, which in turn hurts bottom lines. And this is about money.

Throw in the fact that a la carte will significantly cripple the Big 10 Network's financial model, and I don't think the Big 10 is going to be positioned to always be the wealthiest league.
 
The "a la carte" will be a fad and nothing more. The prices will eliminate this entirely. I think if an a la carte option is viable, it would have to be web only.
 
Which explains entirely why the B1G expanded into New Jersey and Maryland.

It's a start. Maryland touches Virginia, Virginia touches North Carolina, North Carolina touches Georgia, and Georgia touches Florida. All nice and geographically contiguous. It might be the long way around, but if you are willing to make a superconfernce and have some patience, it doesn't really matter.

BTW, your map is wrong.

Send a donation to Wikipedia so they can afford to fix their map.
 
It's been stated emphatically that all future schools will be required to be part of the AAU. This seems to fly directly in the face of OU's future involvement, except that they could be voted into membership once the B1G controls that voting, I suppose. My guess is that Missouri, Kansas, Colorado, Pitt, Duke, Georgia Tech, Virginia, etc are future candidates. And if this thinking is correct I don't expect the B1G to stop at 20, they'll go on to 24 and add some West Coast schools too.
 
All you have to do is look at this picture to see what the problem is.

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The Big Ten is the only one of the 5 major conferences that does not have exposure in the south. The south is 1) where the football talent is concentrated, and 2) where the largest US population growth is taking place (i.e. new TV markets). The Big Ten needs southern exposure, and will destroy college athletics as we know it to get that exposure.

By that logic they would have taken Mizzou over Nebby! That didn't happen. Not saying the B1G doesn't want to get to 20, but if they really wanted to start making inroads to the south, getting Nebby, Rutgers and Maryland really doesn't do it for you. Especially when Mizzou, WVU, and Louisville. Those three schools would have allowed them to start to move south and Mizzou is the only one that was truly sniffed, mostly due to academics. There was tons of grumbling about Virginia, Duke, UNC but I don't know if any of those were real.
 
If the Big 10 went to 20, we might actually be in consideration.

I don't see that as even a remote possibility.

To get to 20, the B1G could go:

Kansas
Missouri
Oklahoma
Texas

Or:

Virginia
North Carolina
Georgia Tech
Clemson / Virginia Tech

Or some combination of the two (i.e. Mizzou, OU, Texas, UVA).

And they still remain contiguous while adding states and adding value to their TV contracts. ISU adds no value there whatsoever. Sad reality is that money drives the train.
 
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