***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

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I've been hoping a la carte would happen, at least on the web, for along time, but it looks rather dead in the water at this point. ESPN drove the dagger when they moved most everything anybody would want to watch to WatchESPN and tied it to a cable TV subscription, and there was really no meaningful negative reaction to to the move. There's just no monetary incentive for either the carriers or content providers to do it. The consumers certainly don't seem organized enough to force a la carte by dropping cable/satellite subscriptions.

Absolutely crushed nail on the head, JBH.

Also, most estimates have that only ~30% of cable subscribers watch ESPN.

That's all you need to know right there on why it's laughable that people think it would kill the Big 10 to go "al a carte." (in the traditional, consumer sense of what a la carte is)

It would destroy ALL of college football/sports TV rights agreements. All conferences. Every. Last. One.

ESPN is more dependent on the current model than the BTN is. Their butt is flapping a lot of different directions in the wind if their forced placement as top dog on basic cable is killed.
 
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I've been hoping a la carte would happen, at least on the web, for along time, but it looks rather dead in the water at this point. ESPN drove the dagger when they moved most everything anybody would want to watch to WatchESPN and tied it to a cable TV subscription, and there was really no meaningful negative reaction to the move. There's just no monetary incentive for either the carriers or content providers to do it. The consumers certainly don't seem organized enough to force a la carte by dropping cable/satellite subscriptions.

I think most people are extremely deluded as to how much money they think they will save in terms of ala carte. Ok, fine, if you take the "extreme couponing" method of ala carte by subscribing to only the very minimum channels that you ever watch only when you watch them, then perhaps you will save money. But the vast majority of TV watchers who watch multiple things on multiple channels would be destroyed by ala carte.
 
I think most people are extremely deluded as to how much money they think they will save in terms of ala carte. Ok, fine, if you take the "extreme couponing" method of ala carte by subscribing to only the very minimum channels that you ever watch only when you watch them, then perhaps you will save money. But the vast majority of TV watchers who watch multiple things on multiple channels would be destroyed by ala carte.
I think part of the reason people like the idea is that then they're paying for what they watch. I'd be fine paying the same/a bit more in an ala carte format if I knew it meant I wasn't subsidizing the University of Iowa or the Big 10
 
I think part of the reason people like the idea is that then they're paying for what they watch. I'd be fine paying the same/a bit more in an ala carte format if I knew it meant I wasn't subsidizing the University of Iowa or the Big 10

Would you buy ESPN?

Because if you did, you'd still be "subsidizing" Iowa and the Big Ten.

Especially with their new deal coming up that will break all records.
 
Would you buy ESPN?

Because if you did, you'd still be "subsidizing" Iowa and the Big Ten.

Especially with their new deal coming up that will break all records.
But if I'm buying ESPN I'm also buying the PAC 12, Big 12, SEC etc. and the money that the big 10 is making from them is due to their perceived value. I have no problem with the big 10 making a lot of money because they are perceived as valuable and because people want to watch those teams. The reason I hate the big 10 is because the BTN is not based off of providing a good product but forcing households to pay for that channel regardless of product. Also I watch ESPN for a variety of programs (College Basketball and Football, Pro Football, MLS, EPL, Sportscenter etc.) I never watch the BTN
 
a la carte wont save you money because now you are basically paying for 10 networks and getting the others thrown in for free. What is there 5 or 6 companies that own all the networks? It would be different if every network was its own company, then a la carte may work. That being said at some point there is a tipping point on how much people will pay for cable. There will be more and more options in the future to see the shows you want.
 
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Anyone who says Grant of Rights are just exit fees DOES NOT UNDERSTAND Grant of Rights.
If the PAC takes TX, OU, OSU and Tech like they almost did, do we still have a conference? If 5 teams leave is there a conference? I wonder how many teams it takes to remain a conference or how many it takes to leave to dissolve the conference. That would be the question on the GOR.
 
If the PAC takes TX, OU, OSU and Tech like they almost did, do we still have a conference? If 5 teams leave is there a conference? I wonder how many teams it takes to remain a conference or how many it takes to leave to dissolve the conference. That would be the question on the GOR.

I believe it takes 7 to disband, but not sure about that.

The reason why Grant of Rights are not exit fees is because exit fees are just a payment. The television rights stay with the school. A school has to leave a conference to EVER find out if Grant of Rights can be broken. Why would a school risk leaving if they are not 100% sure that they will keep their television rights? That is the reason that they are solid. People who say it is an exit fee, don't understand that.
 
People keep mentioning AAU in relation to OU and the Big Ten..#1 Have the mistake impression that OU is far off from gaining that status, Boren has sunk millions into academic improvements with the goal to be AAU before he retires #2 Assume the Big Ten isn't interested because of lack of AAU status, when they have already done their foot work knowing OU doesnt have AAU status
 
People keep mentioning AAU in relation to OU and the Big Ten..#1 Have the mistake impression that OU is far off from gaining that status, Boren has sunk millions into academic improvements with the goal to be AAU before he retires #2 Assume the Big Ten isn't interested because of lack of AAU status, when they have already done their foot work knowing OU doesnt have AAU status
Bottom line, OU isn't joining the B10 without Texas. Texas isn't joining the B10. And what "footwork?" I would love a link where OU was invited to the B10.
 
Duck Dynasty, Honey Boo-Boo, Real Housewives of Skank County, seriously, who watches **** like that?
 
People keep mentioning AAU in relation to OU and the Big Ten..#1 Have the mistake impression that OU is far off from gaining that status, Boren has sunk millions into academic improvements with the goal to be AAU before he retires #2 Assume the Big Ten isn't interested because of lack of AAU status, when they have already done their foot work knowing OU doesnt have AAU status
You will never see Texas in the Big 10, ever, they are not going to play second fiddle to anyone and Ohio State and Michigan rule the roost in that league, no way they want the arrogance of Texas either. Its a horrible relationship to even think about. I think OU is PAC 12 bound before any chance at the Big 10 (which I dont think OU is going anywhere in fact I think the Big 12 expands after the playoff begins especially if we need a CCG), if thats the case, enjoy your games at 11:00 CST every week.
 
You will never see Texas in the Big 10, ever, they are not going to play second fiddle to anyone and Ohio State and Michigan rule the roost in that league, no way they want the arrogance of Texas either. Its a horrible relationship to even think about. I think OU is PAC 12 bound before any chance at the Big 10 (which I dont think OU is going anywhere in fact I think the Big 12 expands after the playoff begins especially if we need a CCG), if thats the case, enjoy your games at 11:00 CST every week.

I'm not sure the Big 12 expands, especially if we have to elevate lower-tier programs in the process. That's basically what the Big East did, and look what happened to them. If we add crap teams, and then suddenly TX/OU leave, we'll be in the same situation.
 
What league is in the worst/most difficult position in terms of future realignment (Big 12, Big 10, SEC, Pac 12, ACC)? I know it is a subjective question...but try to be open-minded and honest? I always thought the ACC would go away first...but I am not sure about that anymore...

I guess this is assuming there is future realignment...
 
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I'm not sure the Big 12 expands, especially if we have to elevate lower-tier programs in the process. That's basically what the Big East did, and look what happened to them. If we add crap teams, and then suddenly TX/OU leave, we'll be in the same situation.

Its all up to Fox IMO, I have read on several accounts they want a presence in Florida. Also BYU is no slouch and would be in the Big 12 tomorrow if offered.
 
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