***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

[Tornado man]

But if there's one thing I've learned from CF, nobody here has any idea what they're talking about either. Go ahead and say Texas has no reason to leave. You're the one being confident in something you don't actually know. I'm not confident in anything except that Texas will always be Texas--which leaves reason for suspicion.

Totally agree, but be ready when you dare to question Texas' motives and Big 12 loyalty on this board - it desperately rushes to the Longhorns' defense. Big Ten schools are just raking it in, and the cash only gets better - $35 mil per school by the end of academic year 2016-17. Then their contracts with CBS, ESPN, and Fox expire, so new TV agreements with the Big Ten will be...huge. Any school who has the chance - Texas, or ISU , or anyone, would certainly listen. http://www.jconline.com/article/201...res-its-wealth-Purdue-athletics-other-schools

 

[aeroclone]

My thoughts:

1. Do you really think Nebraska will have ANYTHING to do with being in the same conference as Texas? Maybe Oklahoma, but if Nebby got any serious wind of letting Texas into the B1G, I can't see them letting it happen easy.

2. Iowa State will have a landing spot somewhere. Even if its being the more northern school in the SEC, they will have a landing spot. Due to ISU's academics and AAU status, it wouldn't surprise me to see ISU join Kansas State, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State in some sort of Midwestern pod of the PAC12.

3. GORs usually get renewed several years in advance of their expiration. If any current school in the Big 12 is stalling on that, then that will tip their hand to all the other schools.

4. I do believe that the Big 12 should expand by adding two more schools. This could happen a number of ways. It wouldn't shock me to see LSU want into the Big 12. Their fan base it becoming more and more discontent on their scheduling and otherwise favoritism towards Alabama. This is what set Nebraska over the edge in the Big 12. Now, I really doubt that happens, however if it did, it wouldn't shock me to see another team from the SEC come over with them...that team would like be Arkansas.

If the status quo is going to be kept, then I would like to see BYU and Colorado State join the Big 12. BYU is an obvious choice, and as long as Colorado State keeps up with building their facilities and doing well in both major sports, I think they would be a serious candidate. Rumblings are that the Big 12 has already had discussions with Colorado state...but nothing more serious than "where do you see yourself in 5 years" type of talks. Adding Utah and Colorado would expand the media footprint and overall footprint of the conference.

I know adding two teams out west would not be favorable to West Virginia...I hate to say it, but they knew what they were signing up for when they joined the BIG 12. Adding more Islands out east does not make any sense. Unless the Island's names are Notre Dame or Florida State.

So let me get this straight. You are saying that our AAU status could help us leverage our way into a PAC 12 expansion that would also include KSU, OU, and OSU, all of which are not AAU members?

 

[snowcraig2.0]

Totally agree, but be ready when you dare to question Texas' motives and Big 12 loyalty on this board - it desperately rushes to the Longhorns' defense. Big Ten schools are just raking it in, and the cash only gets better - $35 mil per school by the end of academic year 2016-17. Then their contracts with CBS, ESPN, and Fox expire, so new TV agreements with the Big Ten will be...huge. Any school who has the chance - Texas, or ISU , or anyone, would certainly listen. http://www.jconline.com/article/201...res-its-wealth-Purdue-athletics-other-schools

Big 12 schools are also projected to be in that same range.

No one here is saying Texas isn't out to do what's best for Texas, we are just saying right now it's clear they want to be in the Big 12. If they wanted to be in the Big 10, they would be in the Big 10. Why else would they have signed a grant of rights? That would be like marrying a woman when you know you might divorce her in 6 months, but not signing a pre-nup.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

Totally agree, but be ready when you dare to question Texas' motives and Big 12 loyalty on this board - it desperately rushes to the Longhorns' defense. Big Ten schools are just raking it in, and the cash only gets better - $35 mil per school by the end of academic year 2016-17. Then their contracts with CBS, ESPN, and Fox expire, so new TV agreements with the Big Ten will be...huge. Any school who has the chance - Texas, or ISU , or anyone, would certainly listen. http://www.jconline.com/article/201...res-its-wealth-Purdue-athletics-other-schools

You realize Big 12 schools are going to be within a couple million of this right? Everyone sees how much bigger the number is for the Big 10, but they have to split it 14 ways, Big 12 splits it 10.

 

[weR138]

Totally agree, but be ready when you dare to question Texas' motives and Big 12 loyalty on this board - it desperately rushes to the Longhorns' defense. Big Ten schools are just raking it in, and the cash only gets better - $35 mil per school by the end of academic year 2016-17. Then their contracts with CBS, ESPN, and Fox expire, so new TV agreements with the Big Ten will be...huge. Any school who has the chance - Texas, or ISU , or anyone, would certainly listen. http://www.jconline.com/article/201...res-its-wealth-Purdue-athletics-other-schools

ISU would jump to the B1G? Wow, thanks Capt. Obvious.

There's no question that UT looks out for number 1 and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. The fact is that ISU is in a good spot in part because we play ball with UT. There was no B1G offer. Would you prefer we tried to leave UT? Maybe you should contact Jamie with some strategies on how to get into the B1G or ACC? I hear the Pac is still considering going to 16. You should spearhead our move there.

 

[ISUFan22]

Big 12 schools are also projected to be in that same range.

No one here is saying Texas isn't out to do what's best for Texas, we are just saying right now it's clear they want to be in the Big 12. If they wanted to be in the Big 10, they would be in the Big 10. Why else would they have signed a grant of rights? That would be like marrying a woman when you know you might divorce her in 6 months, but not signing a pre-nup.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

Big 12 schools are also projected to be in that same range.

No one here is saying Texas isn't out to do what's best for Texas, we are just saying right now it's clear they want to be in the Big 12. If they wanted to be in the Big 10, they would be in the Big 10. Why else would they have signed a grant of rights? That would be like marrying a woman when you know you might divorce her in 6 months, but not signing a pre-nup.

Exactly, ESPN wants no part of them in the Big 10, they will pay whatever to make the Big 12 survive.

 

[Rods79]

We survived twice.

There is no school in the "have nots" that remotely resembles ISU. You've been scarred by too many internet prognosticators that are wholly ignorant about ISU assuming we're shell of what we actually are.

Perhaps I came off as overreacting to your initial post. Yes, I'll fully admit I've been scarred by that process (I couldn't have cared less about the lowly internet prognosticators, but the conference execs didn't have us on the expansion radar, either...unless you were talking about the Big East or possibly the MWC).

I'm just saying that hindsight is 20/20, and a lot of things need to change with the expansion model before I would "not be concerned" about ISU's situation IF the Big 12 were to disappear today, or soon when the Big 10 re-ups their contract (I think that is next year?). But in all fairness you were talking about not being concerned about being completely left out. I mean, I like playing the teams we are playing now, so even if we had a "spot", I'd be concerned about how we are going to fit in with the new conference, and I'd be super ****** at KU or any other team that was selected ahead of us to stay nearby.

 

[jbhtexas]

Allow me...

Totally agree, but be ready when you dare to question Texas' motives and Big 12 loyalty on this board - it desperately rushes to the Longhorns' defense. Big Ten schools are just raking it in, and the cash only gets better - $35 mil per school by the end of academic year 2016-17. Then their contracts with CBS, ESPN, and Fox expire, so new TV agreements with the Big Ten will be...huge. Any school who has the chance - Texas, or ISU , or anyone, would certainly listen. http://www.jconline.com/article/201...res-its-wealth-Purdue-athletics-other-schools

You really want the Big 12 to die, don't you?

 

[Rods79]

We were never looking at the Financial doldrums. Worst case scenario was a Big East that looked like this:

PITT
'Cuse
UCONN
USF
WVU
'Ville
Rutgers
Mizzou
ISU
KSU
KU
Baylor

That conference wouldn't make as much as the current Big 12, but it certainly wouldn't be in the 'doldrums'.

Yes, that league would have had some money for a little while, but it would have been raided in a couple of years and ISU would have been at the back of the line again. Where we are today is the best chance we have to regain relevance, and in a world where the separation from the rich and the poor is growing exponentially, it takes a big hit to your program's goals to have to restart. So yeah, I would be concerned if realignment started back up, the Big 12 went away, and we were forced in with the leftovers from the ACC.

 

[weR138]

Yes, that league would have had some money for a little while, but it would have been raided in a couple of years and ISU would have been at the back of the line again. Where we are today is the best chance we have to regain relevance, and in a world where the separation from the rich and the poor is growing exponentially, it takes a big hit to your program's goals to have to restart. So yeah, I would be concerned if realignment started back up, the Big 12 went away, and we were forced in with the leftovers from the ACC.

I'm not sure what you consider a bad ending for ISU. I think the opinions vary about what a bad outcome is. Mine would be demotion; an inability to compete with teams at the highest level like we do now. IMO that simply is not going to happen. We will not be left out of a 64 team super league.

I'm reminded of an old adage,

What do you call the guy who finishes last in Med School?

...Doctor.

Whatever permutations of leagues are coming; super conferences / D4...we'll be fine.

 

[Rods79]

I'm not sure what you consider a bad ending for ISU. I think the opinions vary about what a bad outcome is. Mine would be demotion; an inability to compete with teams at the highest level like we do now. IMO that simply is not going to happen. We will not be left out of a 64 team super league.

I'm reminded of an old adage,

What do you call the guy who finishes last in Med School?

...Doctor.

Whatever permutations of leagues are coming; super conferences / D4...we'll be fine.

Fair question, I agree with your view on a bad outcome...I guess I just really want ISU to at least stay at the level we are right now, and not drop down to the "last" conference of the Super-4 after the other three conferences have their first choices. So, in the case that the Big 12 was picked apart, I would hate to have to move to the ACC. I really don't enjoy any of the matchups that exist there.

 

[weR138]

Fair question, I agree with your view on a bad outcome...I guess I just really want ISU to at least stay at the level we are right now, and not drop down to the "last" conference of the Super-4 after the other three conferences have their first choices. So, in the case that the Big 12 was picked apart, I would hate to have to move to the ACC. I really don't enjoy any of the matchups that exist there.

Yeah, there's so may potential nuances with this stuff; could our recruiting be damaged? Would travel become a hardship? etc. but to me all that stuff is secondary.

To quote the Great Stanley Kubrick (via Joker) in Full Metal Jacket;

"The dead know only one thing, it is better to be alive."

We will live.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

Fair question, I agree with your view on a bad outcome...I guess I just really want ISU to at least stay at the level we are right now, and not drop down to the "last" conference of the Super-4 after the other three conferences have their first choices. So, in the case that the Big 12 was picked apart, I would hate to have to move to the ACC. I really don't enjoy any of the matchups that exist there.

If there is a D4, it won't matter if you are first or last, the money will be outlandish. And, if D4 happens, why would all of the Elite programs want to be in the same group and cannibalize each other? It's far more likely that things would be restructured to maintain competative balance, rivalries, and some sense of geography.

 

[Rods79]

If there is a D4, it won't matter if you are first or last, the money will be outlandish. And, if D4 happens, why would all of the Elite programs want to be in the same group and cannibalize each other? It's far more likely that things would be restructured to maintain competative balance, rivalries, and some sense of geography.

Yes, I said earlier it would be more comfortable if the D4 was created...but I really don't see some sort of "Council of Nicea" event happening that would completely restructure conferences from where they have already chosen to expand. I would think it is much more likely for it to freeze conferences where they are, because that is the path of least resistance, the mantra of the NCAA, or college football opinion in general if the NCAA isn't there.

 

[Gorm]

So let me get this straight. You are saying that our AAU status could help us leverage our way into a PAC 12 expansion that would also include KSU, OU, and OSU, all of which are not AAU members?

I'm saying Academics would go a long way. And if the PAC were looking to do a midwestern pod I'm guessing they would likely also pick up the other big 12 leftovers in the midwest after TX and KS supposedly go B16. Should have been two different points. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Wesley]

Gee, I thought the GORs stopped the raiders at the gate.....

 

[Wesley]

Expansion Updated – Part 1 | SPORTS MANCAVE

"The Dude" of West Virginia claims that Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas all have had discussions with the Big Ten within the last month, and that Texas especially seems to think that the Big 12 is not the place to be long-term.

Next up… how could Texas (or any Big 12 school) circumvent the conference grant of rights?

 

[Boomer]

When D4 comes around and it will there wont be a bad landing spot. There is some non Dude of WVU talk out there from Ohio State insiders, what ever D4 reshapes *** the members of the currently leagues will be fine financially

I dont expect any moves to be made until D4 is settled and the playoffs are a few years old. At that point I could easily see the Big12 disbanding but without chaos. If league membership votes to disband there is no GOR issue The other superleagues will absorb Big12 membership based on geography. Its going to be like an exclusive country club, membership will be closed to outsiders and the group will take care of its own and everyone will be filthy rich.

 

[kingcy]

The Big 10 took Rutgers and Maryland. They could have had their pick of any school in the country and those are the 2 they picked. If at any point the last 5 years Texas and OU are on the table the Big 10 takes them in a heartbeat. Sure it is about the Big 10 network being on TV sets, but in Texas and Oklahoma people would be watching those TV sets, thus creating more revenue for the conference.