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***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

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Judoka said:
the SEC and B1G picking off the carcass of the ACC (I'd guess GT and either Virginia or UNC to the B1G & Clemson/Florida State to the SEC)
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One piece of speculation that I actually believe is the SEC "agreement" between schools to avoid adding another institution in a state that is already represented.

I think that Virginia Tech and either UNC or NC State are the top targets for the SEC currently in the ACC. I think that Oklahoma is the school the SEC would want the most, but that's not happening.

Gun to my head, I think the B1G grabs UVa first, UNC sees the writing on the wall and bolts as well, and the SEC eventually follows up with VaTech and NC State.

The Big 12 would have a limited window to snap up some pretty desirable programs (FSU, Clemson, Miami, GaTech, Pittsburgh, Louisville just to name some options) before they banded together again and maybe grabbed two schools out of the AAC to remain relevant.

But again, all speculation of course
 
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i have a sneaking suspicion that when this all settles out, there will indeed be a super division of 64 or whatever. and then they'll be a major realignment of those schools. all this fuss will end in some semblance of good thought where rivalries are restored and revenue is shared. but i admit that will require college presidents to act like they have a clue, a hoped-for event but always a risky bet. i have little respect for collegiate leadership these days.
 
CyFan61 said:
One piece of speculation that I actually believe is the SEC "agreement" between schools to avoid adding another institution in a state that is already represented.

I think that Virginia Tech and either UNC or NC State are the top targets for the SEC currently in the ACC. I think that Oklahoma is the school the SEC would want the most, but that's not happening.

Gun to my head, I think the B1G grabs UVa first, UNC sees the writing on the wall and bolts as well, and the SEC eventually follows up with VaTech and NC State.

The Big 12 would have a limited window to snap up some pretty desirable programs (FSU, Clemson, Miami, GaTech, Pittsburgh, Louisville just to name some options) before they banded together again and maybe grabbed two schools out of the AAC to remain relevant.

But again, all speculation of course
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I totally blanked on Virginia Tech. They would definetely be on every conference's expansion list.

I think Georgia Tech is a certain target of the Big 10 though. They would be a good fit culturally and academically into the Big 10 and more importantly they sit right in the middle of a huge recruiting area and TV market. They have to be the #1 choice for any future Big 10 expansion.
 
Judoka said:
I totally blanked on Virginia Tech. They would definetely be on every conference's expansion list.

I think Georgia Tech is a certain target of the Big 10 though. They would be a good fit culturally and academically into the Big 10 and more importantly they sit right in the middle of a huge recruiting area and TV market. They have to be the #1 choice for any future Big 10 expansion.
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GT is certainly an attractive option and I forgot about the Atlanta market with the Big 10 Network.

I had thought that the B1G prioritized keeping a geographically contiguous conference, but I can't see that trumping the chance to put their network on in Atlanta.

Maryland probably gets them the TVs in northern Virginia already, so I would think that GT and UNC are probably the B1G's targets to get to 16.
 
surly said:
yes, all those southerners are just so anxious to see iowa v. northwestern wbb on atl tv's.
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It doesn't really matter if they all want to watch it. How interested are ISU fans in iowa vs northwestern wbb games? yet you still pay for it.
 
surly said:
i have a sneaking suspicion that when this all settles out, there will indeed be a super division of 64 or whatever. and then they'll be a major realignment of those schools. all this fuss will end in some semblance of good thought where rivalries are restored and revenue is shared. but i admit that will require college presidents to act like they have a clue, a hoped-for event but always a risky bet. i have little respect for collegiate leadership these days.
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I keep thinking this too. Eventually, it has to sort itself out into something sane, right? 14 team leagues are just dumb, unworkable. And 16 team leagues really would work better if they are actually scheduled like two 8-team leagues IMHO. Not much different than the "affiliations" and cross-scheduling between some leagues happening now.

Tying this kind of realignment into the D4 talk and the new championship structure gives an opportunity for the university presidents, league commissioners, and ADs to get it right behind closed doors. Then announce it under the auspices of the NCAA, though the NCAA will really just be a fig leaf and cover, the leagues and big schools will be calling the shots.

Clearly, the ideal solution is to pay me a consulting fee of $1M and let me set it up for them, then they implement my edicts.
 
Clark said:
It doesn't really matter if they all want to watch it. How interested are ISU fans in iowa vs northwestern wbb games? yet you still pay for it.
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Will be interesting to see how the unrelated lawsuits about a la carte channel pricing impact the B1Gs model. If the lawsuit succeeds and only people who want the B1G network have to pay for it, does it hose up the revenue model much or not?

I think it would be a minor negative, but not armageddon. They'd still offer sports packages with it, at discounted rates.
 
Clark said:
It doesn't really matter if they all want to watch it. How interested are ISU fans in iowa vs northwestern wbb games? yet you still pay for it.
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it does matter because those people aren't going to pay to see it down there, they don't give a damn for anything beyond paul finebaum's nose and that ain't bloomington or state college. so the big 10 network like the lhn will have one hell of time convincing a cable company in atl to pay anything for such programming.
 
If I were a mod using the word "pod" or mentioning "The Dude of WVU" as a source for anything would both be bannable offenses.
 
CarrollCyclone said:
Expansion Updated – Part 1 | SPORTS MANCAVE

"The Dude" of West Virginia claims that Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas all have had discussions with the Big Ten within the last month, and that Texas especially seems to think that the Big 12 is not the place to be long-term.
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So in other words, Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas have not had discussions with the Big Ten within the last month, and Texas especially seems to think that the Big 12 is the place to be long-term.
 
Georgia Tech is on absolutely nobody's radar. It's a small school with a small fan base that publicly said (along with Wake Forrest and Duke) that they would not make, and could not afford to make a jump to a D4 football league when that was the talk of the town last week.

UNC only gets to leave if NC State gets into the SEC. If you think the politics that got VT into the ACC, or the politics that got Baylor into the Big 12 are bad, you ain't seen nothin' compared to North Carolina politics. This place would be a s*** storm of UNC tried to leave without having a happy home for NC State.

Lastly, no more major realignment is going to happen (at least until the next round of tv negotiations).
 
colbycheese said:
Georgia Tech is on absolutely nobody's radar. It's a small school with a small fan base that publicly said (along with Wake Forrest and Duke) that they would not make, and could not afford to make a jump to a D4 football league when that was the talk of the town last week.

UNC only gets to leave if NC State gets into the SEC. If you think the politics that got VT into the ACC, or the politics that got Baylor into the Big 12 are bad, you ain't seen nothin' compared to North Carolina politics. This place would be a s*** storm of UNC tried to leave without having a happy home for NC State.

Lastly, no more major realignment is going to happen.
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First, NC State will find a home somewhere. If UNC goes Big 10, they have a happy home in the SEC. If UNC goes to the SEC, well, if NC State paid a visit to the Big 12 offices with serious intentions I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be laughed out of the Metroplex.

As far as your last statement, I would never say that. I'm not counting on any more major realignment happening in the near future, but when it comes to realignment I've learned to never say never.
 
CarrollCyclone said:
Expansion Updated – Part 1 | SPORTS MANCAVE

"The Dude" of West Virginia claims that Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas all have had discussions with the Big Ten within the last month, and that Texas especially seems to think that the Big 12 is not the place to be long-term.
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I know we don't believe the Dude. He hasn't proven himself beyond a reasonable doubt, so understandable.

But reading that is still scary. Because you can still see all of it being true. Everything he's said before could have been legit info passed on to him. Remember when he said the Big 12 was discussing a deal with ND to join in all sports except football, with 5 games a year within the conference? ND later took that exact same deal with the ACC.

All the rumors of us attempting to raid the ACC could have been true as well. But FSU saw Big 10 interest and held out. Then their GOR happened.

His sources could be real. It's weird to dismiss it just because you think he's a ***** for twitter followers. He never claimed to be in contact with the omnipotent God of CFB--just sources within the conference. Those sources might sometimes be overconfident (wouldn't be surprising, look who makes up the conference) or prone to leaking information just to gain leverage or gauge outside perception.

What we do know for sure is that the only reason our conference survived is because Texas saw more money in the short term keeping us together. They don't give a **** about the Big 12. At most, they care about being in the same conference as OU. Whether they can beat the GOR or not right now, long term I don't feel safe. Even if we make it until the GOR expires, who feels like it's a game we can survive twice?
 
jboffer said:
I know we don't believe the Dude. He hasn't proven himself beyond a reasonable doubt, so understandable.

But reading that is still scary. Because you can still see all of it being true. Everything he's said before could have been legit info passed on to him. Remember when he said the Big 12 was discussing a deal with ND to join in all sports except football, with 5 games a year within the conference? ND later took that exact same deal with the ACC.

All the rumors of us attempting to raid the ACC could have been true as well. But FSU saw Big 10 interest and held out. Then their GOR happened.

His sources could be real. It's weird to dismiss it just because you think he's a ***** for twitter followers. He never claimed to be in contact with the omnipotent God of CFB--just sources within the conference. Those sources might sometimes be overconfident (wouldn't be surprising, look who makes up the conference) or prone to leaking information just to gain leverage or gauge outside perception.

What we do know for sure is that the only reason our conference survived is because Texas saw more money in the short term keeping us together. They don't give a **** about the Big 12. At most, they care about being in the same conference as OU. Whether they can beat the GOR or not right now, long term I don't feel safe. Even if we make it until the GOR expires, who feels like it's a game we can survive twice?
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I think we can. I have faith in Coach Rhoads to get us to a level where we will be attractive to other major conferences if the Big 12 breaks apart. Also, why worry about it now. I'm not going to spend the next 10 years or however long it is worrying about something that might not even happen.
 
jboffer said:
I know we don't believe the Dude. He hasn't proven himself beyond a reasonable doubt, so understandable.

But reading that is still scary. Because you can still see all of it being true. Everything he's said before could have been legit info passed on to him. Remember when he said the Big 12 was discussing a deal with ND to join in all sports except football, with 5 games a year within the conference? ND later took that exact same deal with the ACC.

All the rumors of us attempting to raid the ACC could have been true as well. But FSU saw Big 10 interest and held out. Then their GOR happened.

His sources could be real. It's weird to dismiss it just because you think he's a ***** for twitter followers. He never claimed to be in contact with the omnipotent God of CFB--just sources within the conference. Those sources might sometimes be overconfident (wouldn't be surprising, look who makes up the conference) or prone to leaking information just to gain leverage or gauge outside perception.

What we do know for sure is that the only reason our conference survived is because Texas saw more money in the short term keeping us together. They don't give a **** about the Big 12. At most, they care about being in the same conference as OU. Whether they can beat the GOR or not right now, long term I don't feel safe. Even if we make it until the GOR expires, who feels like it's a game we can survive twice?
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Given his track record of literally being wrong about everything, yes, it is perfectly reasonable to dismiss him. I used to read his crap and give him a little credit, but not anymore. He is literally an attention *****.

Also, why in the Hell would Texas have signed a GOR if they had any intention of leaving the conference at any point?

I think D4 happens, and after that, if any realignment happens it will be cooperative between all the D4 schools to maximize TV revenue overall, not the poaching that has been happening.
 
Lol, Texas more than anyone wants to stay put. This guy must be exhausted from all the lies he keeps thinking up.
 
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