You are succumbing to "We are only Iowa State" syndrome. Get off that bus because this staff has.
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You are succumbing to "We are only Iowa State" syndrome. Get off that bus because this staff has.
Reread my post. By not excusing Herman's performance with "he is doing the best he can with what one could expect him to get at ISU" I am doing exactly the opposite your accusation.
I am suggesting that Herman's ability to get players does not appreciably change coming off of 2-10 or 5-7. Year 1 you sell PT and hope. Year 3 you sell progress and I suppose results (although I am not sure 5-7 is much different than 2-10 to a 17 year-old in Texas/Florida).
You are taking this and moving a whole new direction. But, to go ahead and jump on your thread derailment, Herman himself is not exclusively involved in the recruiting of players. He is responsible for players (both sides) in certain areas. His (and the rest of the staff) will have an easier job recruiting as we continue to make strides as a program.
As to your obvious dislike for Herman and what he's doing here....this years O is the best we've had in the 3 years of CPR. To anyone but the most jaded observer, that would seem to indicate progress. The reasoning is probably 2-fold. Players have had more time to become familiar with the system, and the staff is bringing in better players to play positions.
EDIT: To add stats. 2009: 20.5 PPG 364.7 YPG 2010: 21.7 PPG 317.4 YPG 2011: 23.5 YPG 395.1 YPG
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He is. Our MLBs are seldom on the field in Big 12 play.
Who says they haven't been found? There is this little thing called development. It is magical really, especially at a place like ISU. You take a kid and you make him lift weights and do drills and things and then all of a sudden they are ready to play in the Big 12. Hermans first class is either redshirt freshmen or sophomores. Do you think that is long enough to decide how good of a player they can be?
True.
Three-fold. Hypothetical example moving to second to last is only improvement if you were previously last.
Also, depending on the KSU game, last year's team actually had a better ppg average in Big 12 play.
Blows my mind how stupid people are. Iowa State isn't going to pull in many 5 star guys who can play right away. We for the most part have to redshirt players and groom them so they can be good as juniors and seniors. None of this staffs recruits are in those classes yet.
This years offense hasn't been any better then the previous 2 years. We have 5 total OT's this year to help bring up the stats. We've scored a TD in all 5 as well.
But in regulation we have scored 20.5 points per game. Same as 2 years ago when we had no overtime games. Last year we had 1 overtime game against Nebraska and got 6 points out of it.
I figured the comment, development lag aside, would have indicated that I was acknowledging there is a component keeping the final grade on Herman as N/A.
That said, I do believe there are offenses that could have brought better results thus far.
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Can you quantify the effect turnovers have had on our scoring this year? My guess: around 6-7 points/game. A lot of our turnovers were also due to inexperience. The offense this year is light years more effective than last year's was. I expect a huge jump next year in scoring because of the added experience.
Now I will have to admit that I do not have actual statistics to back this next statement. But in the Bruce Feldman article about Herman I thought they talked about how much his offense threw the ball at his previous job (Rice?). Then it goes on to say how the offense changed to one that was more reliant on the run.
That doesn't exactly sound like a coach who is inflexible.
Instead it looks like the cyclones in year three are starting to get better athletes who will hopefully allow for any offense to improve. (effort to get the train back on our new recruit)
That doesn't exactly sound like a coach who is inflexible.
Instead it looks like the cyclones in year three are starting to get better athletes who will hopefully allow for any offense to improve. (effort to get the train back on our new recruit)
Bruce Feldman is wrong. Herman ran the ball more than he passed it at Rice. Barely, as it was balanced but he did
So when would you say a determination should be made on him? Next year? Sophomore QB or at least a second year QB. I don't think so. I think 5 years is enough but I would probably go with 6.
Right. There seems to be this misconception that Tom Herman is Mike Leach-Pirate. He isn't. He's closer to Chip Kelly.
It won't matter, for some reason some people always think that the OC is the person holding the program back. They're an easy target for people who don't understand football.
So I went and looked up some statistics and it looks like Rice threw the ball 526 times in 2007. That year they rushed the ball 383 times.
In 2008 they threw the ball 516 times and rushed it 449. So how is it false that they didn't throw the ball more than they ran it?
And honestly this would not take into account sacks or scrambles which would be runs.
In 2008 they threw the ball 516 times and rushed it 449. So how is it false that they didn't throw the ball more than they ran it?
And honestly this would not take into account sacks or scrambles which would be runs.
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He's more balanced than that. He's not Leach, but he isn't Kelly, either. At the time we hired him, Herman's offenses at Rice ran the ball about 44% of the time.
Since coming to ISU, we've been about 55% run. He's roughly 50/50 for his career.
By comparison, Chip Kelly is at 62% ground game for his career.
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Sorry you are right. I knew it was about even but I thought it was in favor of rushing. Either way it was pretty balanced. 54-46.
