*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[im4cyclones]

I got home from watching uconn game to find out Pitt and Syracuse were leaving big east and I was pretty down. First time I felt like ISU would be screwed in all this. Up to that point, I always believed the b12 would live or we'd get big east invite. After that, I wasn't so sure anymore.

But now, a few weeks later, we learn that ISU may walk away from this in a better situation than before? Equal revenue sharing, 6 year sharing of rights, conference members who want to be here, and maybe a b12 network? Now if we could only get to 12 teams and divisional play with 4 non-conference games.

I am not dumb enough to believe 100% this will last forever but it gives Rhodes some time to get us back to bowls and Freddie time for 6 consecutive conference titles!!!

 

[Rogue52]

If you go back 1,000 pages or so, I talked about a conspiracy by the Big XII schools against Texas.

Is Mizzou postering? Unlikely, but a few Mizzou fans are on suicide watch right now.

 

[HoopsTournament]

HoopsTournament, be careful if you try to argue reasonably with him. He doesn't quite think straight. I stopped responding to him long ago because he always has some sort of a nonsense comment in return.

I know. But it is so much fun because his arguments are so weak. But I should pay heed to the saying, "Don't argue with an idiot. They will just take you down to your level and beat you with experience."

 

[Cydwinder]

So the reports that Mizzou was going to be gone today were not true?
I assume that since there has been no news on it here nothing happened.

 

[cyman05]

So the reports that Mizzou was going to be gone today were not true?
I assume that since there has been no news on it here nothing happened.

Apparently, things were said in the meeting that at least caused MU some hesitation.

Tale of the Tait | Fan blogs | KUsports.com

Internet and Twitter reports now indicate that a move by Missouri to withdraw from the Big 12 may not happen today. Those same reports, however, indicate that the move remains imminent.

Multiple media outlets that cover the Tigers posted such news a short while ago. Some expressed that they were surprised the move did not happen today. One, via confirmation from interim Big 12 commissioner Chuck Neinas, said the Tigers did not submit their withdrawal from the league nor notify Big 12 officials of their intention to do so.

Cold feet? Change of heart? Or simply Missouri being Missouri?

Who knows. Maybe we'll find out more tomorrow... Or perhaps still tonight.
Stay tuned....

 

[Mizzoulander]

If you go back 1,000 pages or so, I talked about a conspiracy by the Big XII schools against Texas.

Is Mizzou postering? Unlikely, but a few Mizzou fans are on suicide watch right now.

I'm not sure what the hold-up is, but I'd think that if we had decided to stay, that news would have leaked out everywhere by now.

Neinas says Mizzou did not give Big 12 notice of withdrawal | Campus Corner

Even more confusing as to WHEN is WHY?...what's stopping them from signing the letter, flipping the deuces, and handing over a check of some amount?

Now if you'll excuse me, I have a ledge to step back from...:smile:

 

[cyman05]

Here's my shot in the dark about what was said today:

1. Very serious legal repercussions about leaving for the 2012 football season.

2. Big 12 has presented a financial plan with $ estimates for a renegotiated tier 1 contract and a 3rd tier big 12 network that will generate about the same amount of money as in the SEC.

Mizzou has to think about these implications before they leave.

 

[Wesley]

Apparently, things were said in the meeting that at least caused MU some hesitation.

Tale of the Tait | Fan blogs | KUsports.com

Internet and Twitter reports now indicate that a move by Missouri to withdraw from the Big 12 may not happen today. Those same reports, however, indicate that the move remains imminent.

Multiple media outlets that cover the Tigers posted such news a short while ago. Some expressed that they were surprised the move did not happen today. One, via confirmation from interim Big 12 commissioner Chuck Neinas, said the Tigers did not submit their withdrawal from the league nor notify Big 12 officials of their intention to do so.

Cold feet? Change of heart? Or simply Missouri being Missouri?

Who knows. Maybe we'll find out more tomorrow... Or perhaps still tonight.
Stay tuned....

They are holding out for a network.

 

[CloneAbuse]

As I've said for the past couple of weeks....Missourah.....attention whores! It's been widely reported throughout the country that everyone is just waiting on them to make a freakin' decision. What's the hold up? GTFO.

No matter what any Tiger fan tries to say in this forum. They have been a significant source of instability within the conference the past two years. THE source of instability. The fiasco last year is the source. It doesn't matter if it was the Governor of the state that made the remarks regarding the B1G, he should have kept his mouth shut, end of story. He only echoed what he was hearing from his administrators and his BoC contacts.

At least now, many around the country see the Tiggers as an inept institution, incapable of making efficient decisions and acting like spoiled little brats.

This is beyond old. We are now almost to November. I wish the rest of the conference could show some nads and vote to remove them (I know this would never happen) and bring on an institution that wants to be a member of this conference and seeks to add stability.

I'd love to see a 4-8 Missourah march off to the SEC. What a statement that would make....like us....KU is likely their only W left on the schedule...

 

[Mizzoulander]

Here's my shot in the dark about what was said today:

1. Very serious legal repercussions about leaving for the 2012 football season.

2. Big 12 has presented a financial plan with $ estimates for a renegotiated tier 1 contract and a 3rd tier big 12 network that will generate about the same amount of money as in the SEC.

Mizzou has to think about these implications before they leave.

It's a good as any guess I've got.

1. Clay Travis from OKTC did a lot of work on the Big 12 withdrawal agree about 6 weeks ago. Bottom line: The top figure for leaving next season would be $26M each for MU and TAMU. BUT...he also said that the figure could be negotiated down to avoid legal wrangling over the abstract wording.

2. FWIW, I read from the "Mr. SEC" site that a renegotiated SEC deal would be worth more than $30M per team. Take it for what it's worth, but I don't see any way that the B12 can counter that. (if true)

Dave Matter (beat writer at Columbia Trib) says MU and SEC need more time to finalize contracts:

"No withdrawal notice from MU to Big 12" - Behind the Stripes - ColumbiaTribune.com

 

[Wesley]

Sounds like backroom negotiation at the DFW Airport lounge today.

 

[cyman05]

It's a good as any guess I've got.

1. Clay Travis from OKTC did a lot of work on the Big 12 withdrawal agree about 6 weeks ago. Bottom line: The top figure for leaving next season would be $26M each for MU and TAMU. BUT...he also said that the figure could be negotiated down to avoid legal wrangling over the abstract wording.

2. FWIW, I read from the "Mr. SEC" site that a renegotiated SEC deal would be worth more than $30M per team. Take it for what it's worth, but I don't see any way that the B12 can counter that. (if true)

Dave Matter (beat writer at Columbia Trib) says MU and SEC need more time to finalize contracts:

"No withdrawal notice from MU to Big 12" - Behind the Stripes - ColumbiaTribune.com

Although I don't like responding to you because you'll ignore my words or come up with some crazy counterargument that makes no sense, I'll just say this for the benefit of everybody else.

1. New Big 12 Tier 2 deal averages 9 mil/yr/team

2. Blair Kirkoff from the KC Star wrote sometime after A&M left that he heard the new Tier 1 deal could go for up to triple its current value of 6.5 mil/yr/team. Let's say it does hit that ceiling and goes for 20 mil/yr/team

3. New Big 12 network tier 3 deal brings in 3 mil/yr/team (I making this number up, but you have to admit it couldn't be much lower than that

That's a grand total of 32 mil/yr/team. Even if the Tier 1 deal doesn't go that high, its still in the ballpark of the SEC by a few million at most.

Big 12 money will be very comparable to SEC money. Bottom line.

 

[Wesley]

Maybe the ZOU moving vans are on hold for another week.The curators must be consulted.Big12 Network broadcasting MO Volleyball from Columbia will be the ticket to slow them down.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

If you go back 1,000 pages or so, I talked about a conspiracy by the Big XII schools against Texas.

Is Mizzou postering? Unlikely, but a few Mizzou fans are on suicide watch right now.

Similar idea rebecacy had presented. Don't think he took a stance on Missouri though after they hiked up their skirt.

 

[Mizzoulander]

Although I don't like responding to you because you'll ignore my words or come up with some crazy counterargument that makes no sense, I'll just say this for the benefit of everybody else.

1. New Big 12 Tier 2 deal averages 9 mil/yr/team

2. Blair Kirkoff from the KC Star wrote sometime after A&M left that he heard the new Tier 1 deal could go for up to triple its current value of 6.5 mil/yr/team. Let's say it does hit that ceiling and goes for 20 mil/yr/team

3. New Big 12 network tier 3 deal brings in 3 mil/yr/team (I making this number up, but you have to admit it couldn't be much lower than that

That's a grand total of 32 mil/yr/team. Even if the Tier 1 deal doesn't go that high, its still in the ballpark of the SEC by a few million at most.

Big 12 money will be very comparable to SEC money. Bottom line.

I'm not saying this will make sense, but...

Why would the value of the Tier 1 deal triple? What has changed about the teams or the TV marketplace that could cause such a dramatic change in 1 year? That's THE biggest component of the deal. If that doesn't change much, you're looking at less than half of the SEC take (and that's WITHOUT a Tier 3 league-wide network, which many expect them to build).

Of course, it's all just speculation at this point. But many Missouri fans see those kind of numbers as "pie in the sky." They just don't believe the B12 can deliver on those promises, as smaller market teams replace larger market ones.

 

[cyman05]

I'm not saying this will make sense, but...

Why would the value of the Tier 1 deal triple? What has changed about the teams or the TV marketplace that could cause such a dramatic change in 1 year? That's THE biggest component of the deal. If that doesn't change much, you're looking at less than half of the SEC take (and that's WITHOUT a Tier 3 league-wide network, which many expect them to build).

Of course, it's all just speculation at this point. But many Missouri fans see those kind of numbers as "pie in the sky." They just don't believe the B12 can deliver on those promises, as smaller market teams replace larger market ones.

Dude, have you been paying attention to the exponential escalation in TV contracts in the last 5 years?

You want an example of TV contracts tripling from their previous deal? See the Pac 10. Case in point.

The fact is the SEC signed their deal in 2008. They're locked in until 2023. Any renegotiating is going to be at the mercy of the networks.

If you want a good read on the whole deal of the crazy increase in contracts read this. Tripling the tier 1 deal is VERY possible.

What American Idol Viewers Show Us About Rising TV Sports Contracts « FRANK THE TANK’S SLANT

or for the PAC10 example of crazy increases in contracts...

http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/2011/05/03/new-leader-of-the-pac/

 

[HoopsTournament]

It's a good as any guess I've got.

1. Clay Travis from OKTC did a lot of work on the Big 12 withdrawal agree about 6 weeks ago. Bottom line: The top figure for leaving next season would be $26M each for MU and TAMU. BUT...he also said that the figure could be negotiated down to avoid legal wrangling over the abstract wording.

2. FWIW, I read from the "Mr. SEC" site that a renegotiated SEC deal would be worth more than $30M per team. Take it for what it's worth, but I don't see any way that the B12 can counter that. (if true)

Dave Matter (beat writer at Columbia Trib) says MU and SEC need more time to finalize contracts:

"No withdrawal notice from MU to Big 12" - Behind the Stripes - ColumbiaTribune.com

And the document that he linked to were the bylaws for the 2009-2010 school year. CU and NU are still listed as members. Reports are that exit fees were strengthened. I wrote Travis and told him that, but he conveniently ignored me.

 

[cyman05]

The fact is that if Mizzou claims they're moving for the financial gain, they're wrong, at least if they expect a difference in financial gain until the SEC contract is up in 2023. If MU stays, their B12 revenues will be about equal to SEC revenues. Any difference between the two will end up costing them with a massive B12 buyout fee.

Now after 2023, yes, there will be a big windfall. But I just can't believe that schools like Missouri are seeing the big picture and seeing what life will be like more than a dozen years from now. If they did see the big picture, they'd value wins more than money...there are some things money can't buy. The prestige of the SEC doesn't matter if you never make it past the Music City bowl more than once every 6-7 years.

 

[Incyte]

And the document that he linked to were the bylaws for the 2009-2010 school year. CU and NU are still listed as members. Reports are that exit fees were strengthened. I wrote Travis and told him that, but he conveniently ignored me.

This was never done. Bylaws are the same.

 

[Clonehomer]

I'm not saying this will make sense, but...

Why would the value of the Tier 1 deal triple? What has changed about the teams or the TV marketplace that could cause such a dramatic change in 1 year? That's THE biggest component of the deal. If that doesn't change much, you're looking at less than half of the SEC take (and that's WITHOUT a Tier 3 league-wide network, which many expect them to build).

Of course, it's all just speculation at this point. But many Missouri fans see those kind of numbers as "pie in the sky." They just don't believe the B12 can deliver on those promises, as smaller market teams replace larger market ones.

Why would the SEC contract almost double? Especially when the SEC is locked into a contract and there appears to be no way for the SEC to open that contract negotiation back up. Any more money that CBS and ESPN give them is to keep them happy for the next round of negotiations in 2023. I don't know where 'Mr. SEC' is getting his numbers, but everything that I've heard is that ESPN and CBS will agree to increase the contract to give the additional teams the same amount as the current teams. Which, I believe is around $18mil. I don't understand why the Big12's numbers are "pie in the sky" when they are actually in a position to negotiate a contract, and the SEC media is just making up numbers with no real ability to negotiate a contract until 2023. In reality, Missourah and Aggie very well could be making a lot less money in the SEC starting in 2016.