*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

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Maybe it's just me but I'm pretty happy where we are at.

It's not just you. I'll take a geographically tight, tradition infused, round-robin, true-champion league without unbalanced divisions and awkward schedules over a hastily assembled 12-team conference any day of the week. I'm not going to drink the Louisville/Cincinnati/WVU/BYU Kool-Aid and pretend they make sense just because going to 12 seems inevitable; neither of those teams is a good "fit" for the Big 12 and I like it better without them.

Jim Boeheim is right; the perfect conference is 10-teams with historical ties in a compact geographic area. We have that right now. It's old school, but maybe in a decade or two, when we have a new set of university presidents that aren't so easily hoodwinked by ESPN and the big TV networks, things will come full-circle and we'll look like geniuses as the superconferences all split into factions of 10.
 
Sounds like any fans hoping for BYU better plan on kissing those chances goodbye.

wilnerhotline Jon Wilner
Last BYU: Not saying it won't happen (never say never w/ realignment). Only saying B12 must do some major bending & that seems unlikely

wilnerhotline Jon Wilner
BYU happy with Indy/WCC status. B12 will have to make major concessions to get Cougars. Difficult (but not impossible) to c that happening.

What concessions could they possibly need besides having their own network and not playing on Sundays? Both of which the B12 is fine with.

I highly doubt BYU says no. The current Big 12 is by far the best conference they could ever be in short of legal action forcing the Pac Ten to take them.

Them turning down the Big 12 would be as dumb as ISU turning down the Big Ten...if we were in CUSA right now.

Their in state rival is a Pac Ten team now, and they'd be demoting themselves to a WAC equivalent for perpetuity.

The only thing that MIGHT make sense is that they're demanding Boise State or AFA come with them to give them a closer rival. I could see that being a deal breaker for the Big 12. They have everything else they'd possibly want already.
 
It's not just you. I'll take a geographically tight, tradition infused, round-robin, true-champion league without unbalanced divisions and awkward schedules over a hastily assembled 12-team conference any day of the week. I'm not going to drink the Louisville/Cincinnati/WVU/BYU Kool-Aid and pretend they make sense just because going to 12 seems inevitable; neither of those teams is a good "fit" for the Big 12 and I like it better without them.

Jim Boeheim is right; the perfect conference is 10-teams with historical ties in a compact geographic area. We have that right now. It's old school, but maybe in a decade or two, when we have a new set of university presidents that aren't so easily hoodwinked by ESPN and the big TV networks, things will come full-circle and we'll look like geniuses as the superconferences all split into factions of 10.

If you EVER want to see Iowa State have a shot at a BCS bowl, you want a 12 team league.
 
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If you EVER want to see Iowa State have a shot at a BCS bowl, you want a 12 team league.

I assume this is because an upset win in the conference championship game is the only path ISU has to a BCS game, and not because you don't think a 10-team league gets AQ status?
 
I assume this is because an upset win in the conference championship game is the only path ISU has to a BCS game, and not because you don't think a 10-team league gets AQ status?

Correct.

I love ISU, but a 10-team conference with a 9 game conference slog is pretty daunting. And by pretty daunting, I mean almost statistically impossible.
 
Correct.

I love ISU, but a 10-team conference with a 9 game conference slog is pretty daunting. And by pretty daunting, I mean almost statistically impossible.

I agree--if it ever happened, it would be rare at best...but if Washington State was able to do it twice in 5 years, there's always hope.
 
Interesting leak to the AP...

I can't help but think
1. Those TV revenue $ are skewed because they don't include the renegotiation of B12 Tier 1 in 2-3 years...and they assume the SEC gets to completely rip up their current contracts and renegotiate
2. Only a $10 million buyout? What??? I know that's the 2-year option, but still...
3. Interesting to see Notre Dame on there as an option on there (non-football of course)

The Associated Press: APNewsBreak: Document outlines Mizzou SEC options


Missouri is exploring a move to the Southeastern Conference in hopes of getting as much as $12 million each year in additional TV and cable revenue, according to a confidential document obtained by The Associated Press.
The 45-page document, which was reviewed by Missouri's governing board of curators on Oct. 4, outlines the pros and cons of leaving the Big 12 Conference for the SEC. It was obtained from a university official familiar with the discussions who is not authorized to speak publicly.
Among other things, the report outlines the possible contours of broad conference realignment and it includes recent upheaval in the ACC and Big East.
Under the heading of "possible future conferences" for the Big 12, it lists BYU, Louisville, TCU, West Virginia and Notre Dame (excluding football) as potential new members that could restore the fractured league to full strength. A TCU announcement of such a move was expected later Monday.


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When it comes to money, the report makes clear that Missouri is hopeful for a much bigger payday in the SEC.
The report suggests Missouri could earn $17.16 million in Big 12 TV money in fiscal year 2012, compared to $19.25 million from an SEC deal.
It also envisions a far bigger "per member share potential" should a larger SEC — with millions of more eyeballs in Texas and the Midwest — renegotiate its top-tier TV rights -- up to $12 million more per year.
Missouri could also "leverage (its) Tier 3 more," the report concludes, a reference to the TV rights not committed to cable networks but instead available as for pay-per-broadcast as well as school- and conference-specific networks such as the Longhorn Network, the Texas-ESPN enterprise blamed by some for throwing the Big 12 into turmoil.
"There are 33 million reasons" to join the SEC, said a second university official who had reviewed the report, citing the number of television households in the SEC's reach.


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An immediate departure by Missouri -- within six months, in time to for the 2012 football season -- would risk a hefty Big 12 exit fee of up to $25.9 million, according to the report, a penalty that would require the school to turn over the remainder of its 2011 TV revenue and all of its projected 2012 TV money to the conference.

A more likely exit fee would approach $10.4 million, the report says, under a scenario where Missouri would give the Big 12 more notice -- as much as two years -- before leaving. Both Nebraska ($9.26 million) and Colorado ($6.86 million) negotiated reduced exit payments upon leaving the Big 12 earlier this year for the Big Ten and Pac-12, respectively.

So, two years from now would be the start of the 2014 season? From what I understood the conference year goes from July 1st to June 30th. In order to give two full years, they wouldn't be able to start football until 2014. But, then again, we're dealing with Missouri and they probably don't have the ability to think that far ahead.
 
It would seem if TCU isn't getting full revenue from the beginning (as has been rumored) then it's a better sign they aren't stopping at ten. If they were stopping at ten, one would assume they'd just take aTm's place.
 
The rumor that the BYU ship has passed has been around for at least a couple of weeks. Not sure what the issue is, but supposedly there is something hanging it up. If BYU wants concessions I don't know what they would be. Since its been out there I might say that its true, but since the rumor was UT wouldn't let TCU in was completely wrong who knows what the **** is really going on.
 
Just saw TAMmy at the bus stop. She said she was a litle distressed because SEC said she needed to also bring her boyfriend MOe on the trip. MOe was busy doing nothing.
 
The rumor that the BYU ship has passed has been around for at least a couple of weeks. Not sure what the issue is, but supposedly there is something hanging it up. If BYU wants concessions I don't know what they would be. Since its been out there I might say that its true, but since the rumor was UT wouldn't let TCU in was completely wrong who knows what the **** is really going on.
BYU wants to show nonconference and a total of 8 games on their version of LHN. They want the money. Not sure what quality teams they will play, but they are into buckaroos.
 
What concessions could they possibly need besides having their own network and not playing on Sundays? Both of which the B12 is fine with.

I highly doubt BYU says no. The current Big 12 is by far the best conference they could ever be in short of legal action forcing the Pac Ten to take them.

Them turning down the Big 12 would be as dumb as ISU turning down the Big Ten...if we were in CUSA right now.

Their in state rival is a Pac Ten team now, and they'd be demoting themselves to a WAC equivalent for perpetuity.

The only thing that MIGHT make sense is that they're demanding Boise State or AFA come with them to give them a closer rival. I could see that being a deal breaker for the Big 12. They have everything else they'd possibly want already.

Leaving non FB sports in the WCC for X number of years might be one.
 
BYU fans won't be overly thrilled.

If I were a BYU season ticket holder I would want to know what the hell was going on that the administration didn't bend over backwards to get an invite. I would be ****** as hell if there was not an extremely good reason.

Let's see...OU, Texas, TCU, Mizzou, OSU rolling in for football or SJSU, Utah State, Portland State, Montana State...hmmmmm

Never play a meaningful game after October 1st becasue everyone else is in conference or play in the B12....hmmmmm

KU, KSU, UT etc rolling on for bball or San Francisco, Pepperdine....hmmmmm
 
If I were a BYU season ticket holder I would want to know what the hell was going on that the administration didn't bend over backwards to get an invite. I would be ****** as hell if there was not an extremely good reason.

Let's see...OU, Texas, TCU, Mizzou, OSU rolling in for football or SJSU, Utah State, Portland State, Montana State...hmmmmm

Never play a meaningful game after October 1st becasue everyone else is in conference or play in the B12....hmmmmm

KU, KSU, UT etc rolling on for bball or San Francisco, Pepperdine....hmmmmm


If I had to guess, it would be part of their network deal. If the rumors of ESPN interference in all of this is true, I wouldn't be surprised if they made a call to BYU saying 1 or 2 Tier 3 games isn't going to cut it.
 
It would seem if TCU isn't getting full revenue from the beginning (as has been rumored) then it's a better sign they aren't stopping at ten. If they were stopping at ten, one would assume they'd just take aTm's place.
Not sure how it will all unfold in this situation where one team is taking the place of another team, but in the case of the Big 10 where a team was added, Nebraska will not become a full-share member until 2017.

If TCU's place is to become a full-share immediately member, they have just fell into a money pit. If it is the "Nebraska" way then who gets the extra cash that TCU will not receive?
 
The rumor that the BYU ship has passed has been around for at least a couple of weeks. Not sure what the issue is, but supposedly there is something hanging it up. If BYU wants concessions I don't know what they would be. Since its been out there I might say that its true, but since the rumor was UT wouldn't let TCU in was completely wrong who knows what the **** is really going on.

Just my guess...there might be a problem with TV. ESPN has the rights to all BYU home FB games for the next eight years, except for 1 game per year which is shown on BYU's network.

How does that get worked in with the existing Big 12 TV agreements? Would every BYU home game for the next eight years automatically get an ABC/ESPN time slot? Perhaps the sides cannot come to agreement on how to deal with this issue.
 
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