I think you missed the mark quite a bit. The issue isn't 3rd tier revenue sharing. The issue is no B12 rules for the LHN. Texas kept surprising everyone with high school content, fox waiver for 2nd game, etc.
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I think you missed the mark quite a bit. The issue isn't 3rd tier revenue sharing. The issue is no B12 rules for the LHN. Texas kept surprising everyone with high school content, fox waiver for 2nd game, etc.
Sounds to me like we need to find a new Chair for the big 10. I'm sorry, but when he's up there yapping about the conference, all the while saying Mizzou could leave, it doesn't sound good at all. He should have said, "We are committed to fixing the conference." and that's it. I still don't trust Missouri. Every time the realignment talks go down, they seem to be right in the mix stirring the pot. I'd like to see someone in there who truly is committed to saving the conference. Not someone who looks at it as, "Well, we have just as good of a spot waiting for us." It should be someone from Baylor, KU, KSU or ISU, imo.
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Are there any direct quotes to that effect (that Missouri could still leave)? Or is the press taking his silence on the issue as not denying it, and therefore implying it?
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Thanks. I'm still not seeing a lot to worry about there. If the Big 12 addresses the issues that it says it will, I can't see MU going anywhere, and I can't see the SEC risking a move on Missouri unless everything falls completely apart first. At that point, it's the fault of the Big 12 as a whole, rather than Missouri.
Watching the press conference, it seemed like Deaton is one of those guys who should issue press releases instead. He wasn't very good at deflecting questions that could be twisted by the media.
In all honesty, I don't see Mizzou having near the impact in an exit as either OU or Texas. Louisville could be an addition that would replace Mizzou. The truth of this is, Mizzou has been a whiny little ***** for a while now. For Deaton to be critical of Boren's comments earlier in the month then turn around and undermine, what sounds like a very positive meeting of the administrators, is ludicrous. Mizzou started this discord a year ago with their overtures to the B1G.
Pinkel's comments were highly suspect yesterday as well. Hell, you want embarassing Pinkel...go the the SEC and look at what your success will be in five year...he won't have a job....
Pinkel's comments were highly suspect yesterday as well. Hell, you want embarassing Pinkel...go the the SEC and look at what your success will be in five year...he won't have a job....
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The SEC probably feels a bit disenchanted with Missouri at this time. Plus, they don't exactly want to be seen as poaching another conference. In their 16-team frenzy, the PAC, ACC, and SEC have come across as less than caring about the health of other institutions, conferences, and student athletes.
There's been a lot of talk about greed in college football over the last 18 months and it hasn't made college and conference administrators look too good.
Hopefully, everybody takes a step back and really looks at what it means to limit participation to only 64 teams.
Missouri is probably staying, but would like to keep the threat of leaving until negotiations are completed with Texas.
There's been a lot of talk about greed in college football over the last 18 months and it hasn't made college and conference administrators look too good.
Hopefully, everybody takes a step back and really looks at what it means to limit participation to only 64 teams.
Missouri is probably staying, but would like to keep the threat of leaving until negotiations are completed with Texas.
IN a sense, Missouri is the new Oklahoma, giving everyone else leverage over Texas. If Mizzou left, that would be it, the Big 12 would be done.
I'm not sure it would be over if Mizzou left. But, I do think this is the final power play to get the concessions from Texas that everyone wants. OU lost their powerplay prematurely when Scott went public with the PAC not expanding and stating it wasn't worth the hassle to deal with. Texas may be willing to gamble with Mizzou and call their bluff. If Mizzou leaves, then Texas still is the massive TV footprint, and they are still with OU with several other average teams that could take Mizzou's spot. The KC footprint is split between KU/KSU and some Mizzou.
If Mizzou was truly leaving, they wouldn't have leaked the contingent SEC offer. They would have learned from A&M and stayed on the down-low to comply with the SEC's wishes.
Last I looked, there still is a Big 12 conference. And also, in my opinion, your opinion will have 0% weight on what ultimately happens which is a good thing.
No way if Missouri left would the Big 12 fold...not with OU/Texas committed. We could pull in a Louisville or WV and be just fine.
And we'll know about Missouri within a week or 2 because I assume the Presidents/ADs want to get this buttoned up ASAP.
That's pretty much what I was getting at. I don't blame Deaton at all for having Missouri's best interest at heart. He is their Chancellor, my problem is that there are schools in the Big XII who's Chancellor's definitely see keeping the Big XII intact as their #1 priority for their school. I'm not so sure that Missouri feels this way. As has been stated many times, they were the ones to really get the ball rolling on this conference realignment, and imo, if they had as much tradition as A&M, they probably would already be out the door. All I'm saying is that I would be much happier with a person at the top who's first priority is to save the Big XII, because that is the best, if not only option for their school.
I am baffled at how conference leaders constantly want to put turmoil into this. I don't understand why they can't see that working together and posturing the Big XII to survive and prosper is the best option for everyone here. We all stand to make a lot of money if we can get the ******** worked out and get over the whining babies.
The college world needs to come to grips with this statement attributed to Chuck Neinas:
The current BCS structure is set to expire after the 2014 season and, as a result, new ideas about how major college football determines a national champion are about to be brought up, he said.
Superconferences seem to be an expression of concern that the current structure will not be renewed and schools anticipate some kind of tournament structured like a mini March Madness built on conference play-offs and champions. If that is to be, then we need to move in that direction-soon. The NCAA could yet have a role in influencing the NC format. There are alternative ways of playoffs linked to the BCS model. This really ought to be openly discussed rather than cloak and dagger realignment we've seen.
The current BCS structure is set to expire after the 2014 season and, as a result, new ideas about how major college football determines a national champion are about to be brought up, he said.
Superconferences seem to be an expression of concern that the current structure will not be renewed and schools anticipate some kind of tournament structured like a mini March Madness built on conference play-offs and champions. If that is to be, then we need to move in that direction-soon. The NCAA could yet have a role in influencing the NC format. There are alternative ways of playoffs linked to the BCS model. This really ought to be openly discussed rather than cloak and dagger realignment we've seen.
The demise of the Big 12 continues to be predicted and yet it continues to survive. There are ONLY two schools that would "kill" the conference by leaving. They are OU and UT. And I put kill in quotes because I think that if they ever do leave (which I now think is low because of tier 3 networks), then the conference will exist in some form.
Texas A&M is probably begging for Mizzou to join, that way they can stay out of last place.
The 6-year media rights idea is a decent starting point for an exit penalty, but it does not seem sufficient to really deter the two big $$$ schools, which are the schools the conference really needs to anchor the TV deals.
Just picking a number for a talking point, say the TV money is $20 million/yr. That would put ISU AD revenue somewhere around $60 million/yr. There is likely no way ISU could afford to leave even a year early, so the deterrent works for a school with revenue like ISU.
A school like UT, on the other hand is a different story. With AD revenue of around $150 million, they could easily swallow a $20 million/year penalty, and they could do it for several years if need be, and still be ok. OU AD revenue would probably be around $110 million with the TV $$$ figure above, and they too could probably stomach a year or two of lost TV money if they really wanted to go.
IMO, the only really meaningful exit penalty that would equally effect all schools would be based on a percentage of AD revenue. Any team that wants to leave pays the conference 30% of their AD revenue for two years, or some such thing.
I will be shocked (but happy) if the conference adopts any type of exit penalty that really deters UT or OU from leaving.
Just picking a number for a talking point, say the TV money is $20 million/yr. That would put ISU AD revenue somewhere around $60 million/yr. There is likely no way ISU could afford to leave even a year early, so the deterrent works for a school with revenue like ISU.
A school like UT, on the other hand is a different story. With AD revenue of around $150 million, they could easily swallow a $20 million/year penalty, and they could do it for several years if need be, and still be ok. OU AD revenue would probably be around $110 million with the TV $$$ figure above, and they too could probably stomach a year or two of lost TV money if they really wanted to go.
IMO, the only really meaningful exit penalty that would equally effect all schools would be based on a percentage of AD revenue. Any team that wants to leave pays the conference 30% of their AD revenue for two years, or some such thing.
I will be shocked (but happy) if the conference adopts any type of exit penalty that really deters UT or OU from leaving.
It's sad to see basketball get pushed to the wayside so all these colleges can get their football tv contracts. I am a much bigger college basketball fan than a college football fan, and all these events that have occurred just show how much no one gives a flying **** about any other sport than football. Just sad.
Agree. The fact that Deaton is now in charge of the special committee and expansion is concerning. For him to give the other Presidents/Chancellors the charge to start reaching out to potential expansion candidates and then have those conversations stopped before they even begin, due to the uncertainty that still potentially exists based on his waffling, is somewhat infuriating.
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