Jesus couldn't coach the talent on this team and win. We are thin at every position. The offense is a disaster. The defense has to play tired every week, because we can't get a first down. If this is the same story in three years, worry about it. Christ it is his second season. This is why this message board is just f**king stupid most of the time.
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CycloneErik
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Yes, it's silly to jump to conclusions on CPR at this time, but it's comments like this that I don't get.
I'm not bothered at all by winning the games we're supposed to win and losing the one's we're not expected to. But there is a real problem when we don't even deserve to be on the same field as another team. And by my count that has now happened three times this year. We can not accept this, any year.
Sure, it's not a big deal to lose to the Sooners this year but let's not pretend that everyone loses to them like we are right now. This is the OU team that beat Utah St. 31-24, and beat Air Force 27-24, and beat Cincinatti 31-29.
We've got to distinguish between losing games and completely failing to execute and compete on either side of the football.
Are you high? Did you watch any games last season? How about the Tech game this year where they had better athletes and we still won? Or the freaking bowl win last year?
C'mon....:twitcy:
I think the answer obviously, based on his results versus Chizik (who is undefeated) is YES.....he's a good football coach.
Can he recruit at ISU, well enough to be better than a .500 coach? We certainly don't have a clue on that one.
This job is one of the toughest BCS league jobs out there.
Can he recruit at ISU, well enough to be better than a .500 coach? We certainly don't have a clue on that one.
This job is one of the toughest BCS league jobs out there.
Did you watch Oklahoma play those games? They played terrible. Tonight they played great. They are the 5th best team in the nation, probably better than their ranking. Air Force is ranked in the top 25, Cincy has had some great years in the past 5.
They also had a bye week last week. We need to make it thru the next week, and then try to compete again.
That's entirely the point of the thread. He's pointing out that ISU is doing the best Rhoads can with the athletes we have. If we find out in a couple years that Rhoads can't recruit of develop players, then we can worry. For now we win the games we should and even get the occasional upset. That's all we can hope for this year. Next year there will be some pressure to win, and the year after will be when it starts to count.
Rhoads has more than earned our patience. At the absolute worst he is comparable to McCarney, and likely he is better.
Yeah I saw a lot of games last year. I saw us not beat anyone. Our best win was over a team that beat themselves. We shouldn't have been in a bowl game. And in that game we beat a terrible Minnesota team that as it turns out was months away from canning their coach.
I don't know that we have a good coach. I do know we have a passionate guy that I'm proud to say is my coach. And there is something to be said about that.
CPR beats the teams he is supposed to beat, ISU has the toughest schedule in the country - with a team that has little talent. ISU will probably end up with 5 wins at the end of the year, which after watching the teams ISU has played and looked at talent is pretty impressive.
Chizdik had 3 wins in 2 seasons at ISU........he seems to be doing ok with lots of talent at Auburn. CPR has little talent/size/speed and has 10 wins in less than 2 years.
I started the thread. I think I know what it's about, chief.
I'm not being impatient. I think he should get 4-5 years, maybe more, unless the bottom TOTALLY falls out of this thing. I highly doubt that will happen.
I just disagree that we can call him a "good coach" right now.
Fair enough, I guess I can't disagree if you are being specific. We only know he is a good preparation/gameday coach. But a big part of being an FBS coach (especially at ISU) is recruiting and player development. We don't know yet if he and his staff can do that. So yeah, we don't know yet, but he hasn't given us much reason to doubt.
What we are saying about your thread is it is too early to call him good or bad. Wait a few years.
Yes he has passion. Yes he has coached for some powerful programs. Yes he is praised by other coaches that are good coaches. But to question it already is silly. We won't know until he has a chance to be good or bad.
I think CPR is a good coach, but the Cyclones are just so messed up on recruiting and have had so many defensive no shows in the last 4 years. They are so short on quality defensive players it isn't funny. Also, the offense has repeatedly shown that it can not hold the line of scrimmage, or throw down field, or catch a pass down field, that teams are compressing the field and daring ISU to do something more than 5 yards down field. Even tonight ISU took 4 shots down field, three of the passes were out of bounds, and the other was a rocket 10 yards over the head of the reciever. Until the defense develops and there is a QB and line that makes other teams respect the down field game, it is going to be ugly against very good teams.
I really felt sorry for the defense tonight, they were really out there fight for all they had, but it just isn't enough.
I really felt sorry for the defense tonight, they were really out there fight for all they had, but it just isn't enough.
Do you have to ask this question the day we play you? Come back when we're not thinking based on emotion rather than logic.
So far this year we have:
1 win over a top 25 FCS team
2 wins over teams that will be in bowl games
1 close loss to a probable bowl team that isn't in the top 25
3 blowout losses against top ten teams
It's about what you would expect in year two of a new coaching staff after the previous three year stretch. When you also consider that Rhoads took us to a bowl game and won it last year, there is far more reason to believe Rhoads is a good coach than there is to believe he isn't.
1 win over a top 25 FCS team
2 wins over teams that will be in bowl games
1 close loss to a probable bowl team that isn't in the top 25
3 blowout losses against top ten teams
It's about what you would expect in year two of a new coaching staff after the previous three year stretch. When you also consider that Rhoads took us to a bowl game and won it last year, there is far more reason to believe Rhoads is a good coach than there is to believe he isn't.
