Economics

CycloneWarning

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I guess I don't understand the knee-jerk reaction of some of the GMac supporters that say "ISU is broke" or "We simply cannot afford a buyout". It is not a simplistic, black/white dynamic.

While the contract may require something along the lines of 5 yrs x $500,000 = $2.5 million, these types of situations usually are resolved through negotiation. ISU does have leverage in this matter. If GMac wants to coach again (a fair assumption), he and his agent cannot afford to get into an acrimonious, lame duck situation with ISU by insisting on the full buyout or staying on through the full term.

JP starts at $1.0 million. Agent says no, full $2.5 million. There is a lot of room for a win-win situation that basically sets up GMac and his family for life while he still has a lot of coaching years in him. It isn't that hard to imagine that something like $1.5 - $1.75 million couldn't be structured with $1.0 million paid first year, and the remainder paid in year 2. However, if GMac finds another position by year 2, the second payment is waived or pro-rated based on his average compensation over the life of his new contract.

We could get off with a $1.0 million or slightly more. If I had a nickel for every post that stated "GMac is a great guy", we would already be half way there. There is little incentive for this great guy to try and rob ISU for the bogus 3 year extension buyout value when ISU has set his family up financially for life and he can move on himself.

Now, $1.0 million+ ain't chump change. But ISU has raised over $700 million towards its $800 million goal in this current campaign, plus MBB itself just received a multi-million $$ practice facility. The economy is very tough right now, but there is still financial support for ISU available in the donor/booster community. Who knows who might step up and help out? It's not like the $20+ million we need to start the stadium bowl.

As far as salary, Greg is scheduled to make $850/$900k next year? ISU was paying LE over $1.0 million nearly ten years ago, so any argument that we cannot afford $900k/$1.0 million isn't supported by history or current facts. I think there would be a number of qualified candidates at that pay range.

At some point in time, we have to ask whether we can afford not to make a change. That was the basic driver behind JP's decision on DMac. It certainly wasn't that he was not a great guy or didn't represent ISU well. JP made the call that continuing would be more "costly" than change. He made that call before, and he should consider that decision again at the end of this year if the season continues to swirl the drain. Some fans are already at that point now, others are waiting the season out before their determination, others are still firmly behind GMac. All opinions are fair. No different than opinions on Dan that also ranged from end to end.

Anyway, it is funny to me that people throw out the economic argument as if they have dinner with JP and know the intimate details of what the cost/benefit is or what some donors might be willing to do. They don't.

Sometimes we have to realize that a journey begins with a first step. IF JP makes the call, we may be one year closer to competitive MBB.
 
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ISU has loads of money....i'm sure they could pay his salary alone on the out of state that is paid at ISU
 
Who said money was the issue? Maybe JP and others that make the decisions want him as the coach.
 
Who said money was the issue? Maybe JP and others that make the decisions want him as the coach.

A lot of people actually state "we can't afford the buyout" although I wasn't aware they knew our operating expenses so well.
 
Anyway, it is funny to me that people throw out the economic argument as if they have dinner with JP and know the intimate details of what the cost/benefit is or what some donors might be willing to do. They don't.

So you're telling me that you do have dinner with JP and that you do know the intimate details of the cost/benefit ratio and you do know what some donors might be willing to do? Is that what you are saying?
 
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So you're telling me that you do have dinner with JP and that you do know the intimate details of the cost/benefit ratio and you do know what some donors might be willing to do? Is that what you are saying?

No, I am not a poster making blanket statements that ISU cannot afford to buy out GMac. Just pointing out that there are always alternatives, and I think GMac would be reasonable in dealing with ISU if JP asked him to step down. There is a lot of room for a negotiated deal that would be acceptable to both parties, and would result in much less cost than is assumed by the contract terms.
 
No, I am not a poster making blanket statements that ISU cannot afford to buy out GMac. Just pointing out that there are always alternatives, and I think GMac would be reasonable in dealing with ISU if JP asked him to step down. There is a lot of room for a negotiated deal that would be acceptable to both parties, and would result in much less cost than is assumed by the contract terms.

I know what you're saying but from what i have heard, again, I don't KNOW anything, but I have heard our AD is broke. They have spent a lot of money recently on facilities. Right? I don't know but that is what I have heard. I have certainly not heard there is an abundance of money. I doubt the board would like to be spending much more on coaches especially when it seem like we may need to start spending more on our successful football coaches. Of course, we will have expiring payoffs to old assistants to work with there.
 
GMac's buyout isn't the only consideration to make in this whole ordeal. We'd have to hire another coach, right? Do you think we can find a coach for around the same salary as GMac (Greg is roughly $650,000 per year, for comparison sake Lickliter is up closer to $1M per year).

And if this coach you're going to hire is any good then he probably has a job as well, right? So then ISU would more than likely be on the hook for his buyout for however any years would be specified in his contract.

So, find a way to magically talk Greg down to a $1M buyout and you still have a lot of cash you need to find.

Not only that, but you like having a good FB, WBB, VB, Wrestling, etc. program? Those funds used to make all these changes are going to pull many away from upgrades in those programs as well. Do you want to sacrifice all the work of Paul Rhoads? Food for thought...
 
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Hey Warning..when you get ready to sell your $2.5M house, I'll make you an offer for $1 million. :)
 
GMac's buyout isn't the only consideration to make in this whole ordeal. We'd have to hire another coach, right? Do you think we can find a coach for around the same salary as GMac (Greg is roughly $650,000 per year, for comparison sake Lickliter is up closer to $1M per year).

And if this coach you're going to hire is any good then he probably has a job as well, right? So then ISU would more than likely be on the hook for his buyout for however any years would be specified in his contract.

So, find a way to magically talk Greg down to a $1M buyout and you still have a lot of cash you need to find.

Not only that, but you like having a good FB, WBB, VB, Wrestling, etc. program? Those funds used to make all these changes are going to pull many away from upgrades in those programs as well. Do you want to sacrifice all the work of Paul Rhoads? Food for thought...

Good post. It is impossible to know how much we could buyout for, how much we would need to hire the guy we wanted, or how much to buy that guy out. The problem is once you jump in you are all in. There is no way to test the waters. Sure JP could call around and feel out candidates behind Macs back but if you do that and Mac finds out, then the buyout will be the max.

I think right now we are at the point where I think football is going to take off. We need to be sure that that is taken care of. Not that CPR will demand more money, but you want to keep assistants happy as long as you can. Right now, we are a stepping stone for assistants and I realize that we are going to lose them, but if we can keep them say 5 years instead of losing them after 1 or 2 to a different school in the same position we will be better off.
 

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