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Tim Floyd Resigns From USC

He's been a losing BB coach every place he's been since leaving ISU.

Wow, might want to try doing some simple research before writing such foolish things.

The 55-year-old coach led the Trojans to the NCAA tournament three consecutive seasons, a first in the program's history, and this year he coached them to the Pac-10 tournament title. The Trojans lost to Michigan State in the second round of this year's NCAA tournament. Overall, he was 85-50 in four seasons.

Of course, God forbid you let objective, established facts get in the way of your subjective biased opinion that you present as fact.
 
Frak said:
I'd take TF with no Bulls rumors over a sober LE any day. TF was a better X's and O's guy. TF was a better recruiter (i.e. more smooth). IMO LE caught lightning in a bottle. He needed the exact right type of player to be successful...guys that could take his verbal abuse and use it to make themselves play harder. I love LE, but if I were to choose one to coach at ISU right now with no other "issues" hanging over their head, it wouldn't even be close.

And if we want to talk issues, it was LE's problems that put ISU into the downward spiral that we're still dealing with today.
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That is ********. We were in the postseason 2 years in a row when Morgan was coaching. The reason we suck now is because we cant keep players here and our head coach has been learning on the job ever since he got here. I would welcome TF back in a hearbeat.
 
Disclaimer: My in-laws are all USC alumni and have we season tickets for USC basketball, I used to enjoy going to games to see Tim Coach… Oh well

For what it's worth, Tim did do a tremendous job bringing USC's basketball program out from behind the shadow of the football program, albeit for a brief moment. I went to one of Tim's first games as a USC coach and I'm pretty sure that ISU drew more fans to their volleyball games than USC drew to their basketball games that year. The arena was just a step up from playing in State Gym, and no one, not even alumni cared one bit about the program. Fast forward to 2009, USC has a new Arena, 3 NCAA appearances, a PAC-10 title and the program has 10x the alumni support it had before he showed up.

I personally think he resigned because he was sick of the rumors going around about his recruitment of OJ and was not asked to by Mike Garret. If I were Mike I’d be more concerned about the Reggie Bush rumors than the OJ ones.
 
Frak said:
I'd take TF with no Bulls rumors over a sober LE any day. TF was a better X's and O's guy. TF was a better recruiter (i.e. more smooth). IMO LE caught lightning in a bottle. He needed the exact right type of player to be successful...guys that could take his verbal abuse and use it to make themselves play harder. I love LE, but if I were to choose one to coach at ISU right now with no other "issues" hanging over their head, it wouldn't even be close.

And if we want to talk issues, it was LE's problems that put ISU into the downward spiral that we're still dealing with today.
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Just to clarify...I believe that LE was drinking the "lightning" from the bottle.

For all of you TF lovers I have one question for you...how can a man that has NEVER coached his team (any team) past the Sweet 16 be considered a "great" coach?

By the way, Johnny Orr IS the greatest basketball coach that ISU has ever had!
 
I bet if you asked Floyd now he would admit that life wasn't all that bad at ISU. You can't blame him for leaving ISU to set himself and his family up financially for the rest of their lives. I bet his memories of Ames become better by each passing day.
 
cyclonenum1 said:
Just to clarify...I believe that LE was drinking the "lightning" from the bottle.

For all of you TF lovers I have one question for you...how can a man that has NEVER coached his team (any team) past the Sweet 16 be considered a "great" coach?

By the way, Johnny Orr IS the greatest basketball coach that ISU has ever had!
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I always thought TF coached 3-4 wins per year. Meaning without TF the talent we had would have lost 3-4 more than we actually did. Thats why I think he is a great coach.
 
For all of you TF lovers I have one question for you...how can a man that has NEVER coached his team (any team) past the Sweet 16 be considered a "great" coach?

Huh? FYI, Orr never coached any of his ISU teams past the Sweet 16 either!

Why do you feel a coach has to get his team into the Elite Eight or better in order to be considered "great"? Do you feel like we are on par with North Carolina and Kentucky where NCAA tournament runs are a dime a dozen? Seems like a silly, unrealistic benchmark to me.
 
cyclonenum1 said:
Just to clarify...I believe that LE was drinking the "lightning" from the bottle.

For all of you TF lovers I have one question for you...how can a man that has NEVER coached his team (any team) past the Sweet 16 be considered a "great" coach?

By the way, Johnny Orr IS the greatest basketball coach that ISU has ever had!
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Excuse me, I'm trying to think when Johnny got us past the Sweet 16 - maybe he did, I'm too old to remember. But if he didn't, does that mean, using your standard, he was not a "great coach"?
 
Go2Guy said:
Excuse me, I'm trying to think when Johnny got us past the Sweet 16 - maybe he did, I'm too old to remember. But if he didn't, does that mean, using your standard, he was not a "great coach"?
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I agree. Plus, Johnny had a few more seasons as ISU coach to try.

I always thought that Floyd would get us to at least an Elite 8 had he stayed. His problem was that he was always looking for the "next great job" and didn't want to stay anywhere. I still think he was the best in-game coach we've had.
 
isucyfan said:
I agree. Plus, Johnny had a few more seasons as ISU coach to try.

I always thought that Floyd would get us to at least an Elite 8 had he stayed. His problem was that he was always looking for the "next great job" and didn't want to stay anywhere. I still think he was the best in-game coach we've had.
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I think Johnny was the better program-builder. Under Johnny, we built up from nothing, gained an identity in terms of a fun style and Hilton Magic was born. He knew how to do that stuff like few others would have done.

Floyd was probably the best in-game strategist, but his style of running a program inevitably leads to trouble.
 
Go2Guy said:
Excuse me, I'm trying to think when Johnny got us past the Sweet 16 - maybe he did, I'm too old to remember. But if he didn't, does that mean, using your standard, he was not a "great coach"?
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Buh, buh, buh, he got Michigan to the Final Four...

Look, I'm not saying that Orr isn't our greatest coach. Considering the oblivion he pulled ISU basketball out of and the following that developed as a result, and considering what most of the coaches have done with the program after the fact, that he clearly is the greatest coach (even with Eustachy's two Big XII championships and one Elite 8 appearance - his flame-out prevents him from being called the greatest). I just think it's extremely sad that, looking at his overall record here at ISU, that while he was a great coach for ISU, that it gives him the title of "greatest." I guess what I'm saying is it's a shame that the foundation that Orr layed has been largely wasted over the last 15 years (excluding 1995-1997 and 1999-2001).
 
CycloneErik said:
I think Johnny was the better program-builder. Under Johnny, we built up from nothing, gained an identity in terms of a fun style and Hilton Magic was born. He knew how to do that stuff like few others would have done.

Floyd was probably the best in-game strategist, but his style of running a program inevitably leads to trouble.
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I think Johnny was the best recruiter, Floyd the best in-game coach, and LE the best practice coach. Whaddya say we work on some gene splicing and make an ISU "supercoach"?
 
ISUChippewa said:
For all of you TF lovers I have one question for you...how can a man that has NEVER coached his team (any team) past the Sweet 16 be considered a "great" coach?

Huh? FYI, Orr never coached any of his ISU teams past the Sweet 16 either!

Why do you feel a coach has to get his team into the Elite Eight or better in order to be considered "great"? Do you feel like we are on par with North Carolina and Kentucky where NCAA tournament runs are a dime a dozen? Seems like a silly, unrealistic benchmark to me.
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It's a lot like this:
How can someone who uses the phrase "Huh?" be considered a legitimate poster?
 
Floyd > LE

That said, I'd take Orr in his prime over either. Not necessarily because Orr was a better coach, but because Orr is and always will be Cyclone BBall.
 
ISUChippewa said:
He's been a losing BB coach every place he's been since leaving ISU.

Wow, might want to try doing some simple research before writing such foolish things.

The 55-year-old coach led the Trojans to the NCAA tournament three consecutive seasons, a first in the program's history, and this year he coached them to the Pac-10 tournament title. The Trojans lost to Michigan State in the second round of this year's NCAA tournament. Overall, he was 85-50 in four seasons.

Of course, God forbid you let objective, established facts get in the way of your subjective biased opinion that you present as fact.
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Your right. Man, what was I thinking.

Chicago Bulls - 49 -190 record

New Orleans Hornets 41-41 record

Combined 93 - 235 NBA record

39-33 in conference games at USC in 4 seasons while doing it in an extremely talent rich part of the country.

For a grand total of...wait for it...178 - 285 since leaving ISU.


Your right thats winning if I've ever seen it. I'm sure Floyed is very happy with all these records. :confused:
 
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Much more information seems to be coming out by the minute regarding this situation. According to articles I've read, Floyd was going to be fired and negotiated a buyout with his attorney last week. Also, I find it interesting that Larry Eustachy's name is coming up as a possible successor along with Reggie Theus and Jeff Van Gundy.
 
It's a lot like this:
How can someone who uses the phrase "Huh?" be considered a legitimate poster?

Oh Great Geronimus Clone, please forgive me for not living up to your standards as a veritable wordsmith when it comes to what kind of phrases I use. I guess I should just be pleased that a superior, legitimate poster with a screenshot from a bad Chris Farley movie lowered himself to even respond to my plebian response.:jimlad:

But seriously, get over yourself.
 
Mustang Cy,

Good greif. In your post, you specifically wrote "He's been a losing BB coach every place he's been since leaving ISU."

In my response, I provided factual information that he was a big winner at USC, averaging over 22 wins a season in his four years there. He was the first coach in USC history to take them to three consecutive NCAA tournaments at a school where basketball was an afterthought.

If you had stated that he was a failure in the NBA, you would have been absolutely correct. But, again, YOU wrote that he was a loser EVERY place he's been since ISU, and, again, the FACTS and his record at USC prove you are JUST PLAIN WRONG.
 
akclone said:
I always thought TF coached 3-4 wins per year. Meaning without TF the talent we had would have lost 3-4 more than we actually did. Thats why I think he is a great coach.
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Fair enough...but if he is such a great strategist then why never past the Sweet 16...the man has been a college coach for a lot of years.
 
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