Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[FriendlySpartan]

I'll rephrase it. Nebraska tied for 2nd in the Big 10 in Mens Basketball, 3rd in Wrestling, 2nd in Baseball, 1st in Volleyball, 1st in Softball. You make it sound like the Big 10 is above Nebraska. Nebraska was one of only 3 schools to qualify for the post season in all 6 major sports and the only Big 10 team to do it. I'm not a Nebraska fan but I would take them back in the conference.

That’s fair, the big ten isn’t ever a baseball conference for the weather so good to have some rep.

Also in big ten land hockey is a much more major sport then softball or wrestling. But I get Iowa peeps love their wrestling.

At the end of the day it’s about the big 3/4 sports as well as academics and Nebraska is just a constant disappointment in football and really doesn’t fit in culturally.

Don’t think you would see anyone really disappointed if they left and people are just regularly annoyed by their antics. Hopefully their basketball program continues to do well

 

[Kinch]

That’s fair, the big ten isn’t ever a baseball conference for the weather so good to have some rep.

Also in big ten land hockey is a much more major sport then softball or wrestling. But I get Iowa peeps love their wrestling.

At the end of the day it’s about the big 3/4 sports as well as academics and Nebraska is just a constant disappointment in football and really doesn’t fit in culturally.

Don’t think you would see anyone really disappointed if they left and people are just regularly annoyed by their antics. Hopefully their basketball program continues to do well

I don’t think Fox is disappointed in Nebraskas tv ratings. Wonder the past 10 years which one has been a bigger disappointment performance wise, Nebraska or Michigan Stare in football? What do you say?

 

[Kinch]

Checked AI and it stated Big 10 wrestling consistently outperforms Big 10 hockey for viewership on the BTN network.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I don’t think Fox is disappointed in Nebraskas tv ratings. Wonder the past 10 years which one has been a bigger disappointment performance wise, Nebraska or Michigan Stare in football? What do you say?

Oh that’s easily Nebraska, no double digit win seasons, no big ten titles. Just pure mediocrity.

Sparty has some disaster seasons in there (so does NU) but has a big ten title, a 10, 11, and 12 win season in there.

That being said Sparty football is a dumpster fire currently

 

[Kinch]

Oh that’s easily Nebraska, no double digit win seasons, no big ten titles. Just pure mediocrity.

Sparty has some disaster seasons in there (so does NU) but has a big ten title, a 10, 11, and 12 win season in there.

That being said Sparty football is a dumpster fire currently

last 10 seasons Sparty football has had no 12 win season and no conference titles.
Big 10 record last 10 seasons:
Nebby 32-57
Soarty 35-53 Sparty had one less game due to Covid
I do agree that currently sparty is a dumpster fire.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

last 10 seasons Sparty football has had no 12 win season and no conference titles.
Big 10 record last 10 seasons:
Nebby 32-57
Soarty 35-53 Sparty had one less game due to Covid

I was going to the 2015 season with the 12 wins and title that year.

Also win total for sparty might even be less then that as a bunch of games were vacated

 

[Mr.G.Spot]

Not a single person would be sad to see Nebraska leave, that would honestly be so incredible for the conference

I have a good friend in the Pittsburgh area, an iowa state guy, they (business leaders, etc) wanted Pitt to get in versus Nebraska. The Penn State people didn't want Pitt and this was before people understood household counts and market share related to cable. They wanted national championships! Lol.

The Gazette had an article which stated their disappointment, and I remember the quote of something like "the big ten is going to bring in a lower rated university than Iowa."

We all know the ratings thing gets overblown, but we still laugh about this to this day. The elitism of the East looking at the Midwest was on great display.

 

[HouClone]

Not to be negative Ned but is there a concern that some Big 12 teams go to the ACC if the Protect College Sports Act is passed with pooling of media rights and Big 10 or SEC don't expand? The ACC has brands, the Big 12 does not. Teams want to be in a conference with brands. The ACC brands want to leave to get more revenue. But with pooling, don't see why they would want to leave.

Could see the ACC thinking big with Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, West Virginia, Texas Tech, Kansas, and Cincy.

 

[isucy86]

Not to be negative Ned but is there a concern that some Big 12 teams go to the ACC if the Protect College Sports Act is passed with pooling of media rights and Big 10 or SEC don't expand? The ACC has brands, the Big 12 does not. Teams want to be in a conference with brands. The ACC brands want to leave to get more revenue. But with pooling, don't see why they would want to leave.

Could see the ACC thinking big with Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, West Virginia, Texas Tech, Kansas, and Cincy.

The ACC historically has been up there with Big10 on being academic snobs when considering membership. With Louisville & Clemson one could question if that's still valid. But I'm skeptical they would add WVU, Cincy or TT.

There is 0% chance if PCSA is passed that pooling would be mandatory. AND the ACC brands will jump to Big 10 and SEC before legislation is passed. Pooling wouldn't mean equal sharing. So still more money to be made as Big 10 or SEC school.

 

[cykadelic2]

Not to be negative Ned but is there a concern that some Big 12 teams go to the ACC if the Protect College Sports Act is passed with pooling of media rights and Big 10 or SEC don't expand? The ACC has brands, the Big 12 does not. Teams want to be in a conference with brands. The ACC brands want to leave to get more revenue. But with pooling, don't see why they would want to leave.

Could see the ACC thinking big with Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, West Virginia, Texas Tech, Kansas, and Cincy.

Current version of proposed PCSA has anti-expansion language for ACC and B12 in addition to B10 and SEC.

 

[Jeffreyisu]

Not to be negative Ned but is there a concern that some Big 12 teams go to the ACC if the Protect College Sports Act is passed with pooling of media rights and Big 10 or SEC don't expand? The ACC has brands, the Big 12 does not. Teams want to be in a conference with brands. The ACC brands want to leave to get more revenue. But with pooling, don't see why they would want to leave.

Could see the ACC thinking big with Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, West Virginia, Texas Tech, Kansas, and Cincy.

This thought comes from the media getting in your head.

 

[HouClone]

This thought comes from the media getting in your head.

Not media. Reality. Miami, FSU, and Clemson are brand names, a lot more historical success than any Big 12 team.

 

[HouClone]

Provided expansion is allowed on the re-written PCSA but pooling rights stays (say close to equal media rights), expansion obstacles for a conference/team decision would be academics, travel, bloat (not a conference but a league or federation), sports success, regional rivalries.

WVU to ACC seems no brainer provided ACC takes in their academics and ok with bloat. I say Yes.

Kansas is a wildcard. Linking with Duke and North Carolina probably appeals to them but loses regional rivalries and travel expenses. Football is blah. I say No.

I think the old Pac would come together again with pooling. BYU stays in Big 12 but lose Arizona, ASU, and Utah. Colorado is 50/50. Big 10 loses the 4 they poached.

Nebraska maybe would come back to the Big 12 but with no Oklahoma, I say they stay.

Missouri stays in SEC with no old power Oklahoma, Nebraska in the Big 12.

Maryland goes back to the ACC.

Old Big East might come back. Pitt, Syracuse, and BC don't fit in with the ACC. But they may stay for the ACC brands.

 

[Al_4_State]

Not media. Reality. Miami, FSU, and Clemson are brand names, a lot more historical success than any Big 12 team.

And the only way they are going to be in the ACC in 5 years is if there is a freeze on conference realignment due to Congress, which would prevent any Big 12 schools from leaving.

With those brands gone, the Big 12 is considerably ahead of the ACC.

 

[cykadelic2]

Provided expansion is allowed on the re-written PCSA but pooling rights stays (say close to equal media rights), expansion obstacles for a conference/team decision would be academics, travel, bloat (not a conference but a league or federation), sports success, regional rivalries.

WVU to ACC seems no brainer provided ACC takes in their academics and ok with bloat. I say Yes.

Kansas is a wildcard. Linking with Duke and North Carolina probably appeals to them but loses regional rivalries and travel expenses. Football is blah. I say No.

I think the old Pac would come together again with pooling. BYU stays in Big 12 but lose Arizona, ASU, and Utah. Colorado is 50/50. Big 10 loses the 4 they poached.

Nebraska maybe would come back to the Big 12 but with no Oklahoma, I say they stay.

Missouri stays in SEC with no old power Oklahoma, Nebraska in the Big 12.

Maryland goes back to the ACC.

Old Big East might come back. Pitt, Syracuse, and BC don't fit in with the ACC. But they may stay for the ACC brands.

If PCSA get passed, expansion isn't going to be allowed.

But If it does get passed, a merger of the B12/ACC with media rights pooling (hello Paramount/Amazon) with reconstituted regional conferences could get approved for multiple rational reasons:

ACC: NC State, North Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia, Clemson, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Miami FL, Virginia Tech, UCF

Big 12: TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor, SMU, West Virginia, Houston, Syracuse, Boston College, Louisville, Pitt, Cincinnati

Big Country: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, BYU, Colorado, Stanford, California, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas St
Oklahoma St

7x10 with full pooling is still, by far, the best short and long term solution.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

If PCSA get passed, expansion isn't going to be allowed.

But If it does get passed, a merger of the B12/ACC with media rights pooling (hello Paramount/Amazon) with reconstituted regional conferences could get approved for multiple rational reasons:

ACC: NC State, North Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia, Clemson, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Miami FL, Virginia Tech, UCF

Big 12: TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor, SMU, West Virginia, Houston, Syracuse, Boston College, Louisville, Pitt, Cincinnati

Big Country: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, BYU, Colorado, Stanford, California, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas St
Oklahoma St

7x10 with full pooling is still, by far, the best short and long term solution.

North Carolina, Virginia, Clemson, FSU, Miami and (maybe) Duke and Georgia Tech are gone before the legislation goes into effect so this is a complete fantasy.

Not that the legislation is passing anyway so I'm yelling at clouds yet again.

 

[BMWallace]

If PCSA get passed, expansion isn't going to be allowed.

But If it does get passed, a merger of the B12/ACC with media rights pooling (hello Paramount/Amazon) with reconstituted regional conferences could get approved for multiple rational reasons:

ACC: NC State, North Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia, Clemson, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Miami FL, Virginia Tech, UCF

Big 12: TCU, Texas Tech, Baylor, SMU, West Virginia, Houston, Syracuse, Boston College, Louisville, Pitt, Cincinnati

Big Country: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, BYU, Colorado, Stanford, California, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas St
Oklahoma St

7x10 with full pooling is still, by far, the best short and long term solution.

If the PCSA is passed, there will be an accelerated breakaway of the top 20-30ish brands from the P4 to create an independent football/athletics league.

While I don't disagree with the idea of regional realignment with rights pooling, the question is who is it good for? It is great for teams in the ACC and Big 12. Its good for Purdue, Rutgers, South Carolina, and Miss St. It will be viewed as a loss by decision makers at the likes of Ohio State, Michigan, Georgia, Alabama, Texas, and USC. And that is why it will never have enough support to ever happen.

 

[cykadelic2]

The ACC historically has been up there with Big10 on being academic snobs when considering membership. With Louisville & Clemson one could question if that's still valid. But I'm skeptical they would add WVU, Cincy or TT.

There is 0% chance if PCSA is passed that pooling would be mandatory. AND the ACC brands will jump to Big 10 and SEC before legislation is passed. Pooling wouldn't mean equal sharing. So still more money to be made as Big 10 or SEC school.

If the ACC took Louisville, they will take on anybody given Louisville was on extended accreditation probation by the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission on College after being accepted into the ACC

And the current version of PCSA has voluntary pooling and that is solely due to the timing of existing contracts and the stranglehold that ESPN and Fox have on the SEC and B10 with conference networks. When/if PCSA gets passed, a long term plan can be put in place for full FBS pooling that would clearly optimize revenues for all FBS members.

 

[cykadelic2]

North Carolina, Virginia, Clemson, FSU, Miami and (maybe) Duke and Georgia Tech are gone before the legislation goes into effect so this is a complete fantasy.

Not that the legislation is passing anyway so I'm yelling at clouds yet again.

Trying to beat the clock on passage of PCSA is going to have extreme financial and political consequences for the involved conferences and schools. So much that it is more likely PCSA gets passed than the beat the clock sham actually gets pulled off.

And some of you here evidently pay too much attention to Fat Boy Fluguar and others like him.

 

[Kinch]

North Carolina, Virginia, Clemson, FSU, Miami and (maybe) Duke and Georgia Tech are gone before the legislation goes into effect so this is a complete fantasy.

Not that the legislation is passing anyway so I'm yelling at clouds yet again.

Sure they want out, but will the P2 take them all? Fox ain’t going to approve all of those teams, and I sure can’t see ESPN either. Some maybe.