Gas at the one station I pass on my way to work was around $2.09 a few days ago. $2.99 tonight.
When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?
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Imagine lurking in this thread and saying stuff like that with no backup to ICE costs over the same timeframe. In that time how much was saved in gas (offset charging fees) and maintenance? The only argument that holds real weight is people driving hundreds of miles a day for work because super chargers are slower than filling up and not as cost effective as charging at home.
There’s a car out there that drives itself, just buy that.
But at least the car still drives. And in daily driving situations, no impact to the owner.
And once a car has reached that age, most families will have already purchased a newer 2nd EV, that will have better range & faster charge time.
What happens to a 10yo ICE vehicle that has a transmission go out? Or any number of expensive engine problems? Its a big chunk of non-moving metal til fixed.
EV's today are the equivalent of the 2005 Nokia flip phone. The tech will be much better in 5 years, significantly better in 10 years and incremental improvement thereafter.
No big deal if you aren't a flip phone guy, keep your land line. But in 10-15 years, you'll buy the EV comparable of an Apple 17.
What do you Tesla owners pay for insurance? CR lists it as the most expensive brand at *gulp* $4k average annual premium.
We insure a 2021 Kia Telluride that had a ~$50k sticker.
We insure a 2023 Tesla Model Y that had a ~$50k sticker.
2021 Kia=$614/yr
2023 Tesla=$924/yr
For comparison, I had a 2019 BMW M240i, which also had a ~$50k sticker, and it was more expensive to insure than the MY. In addition, the MY was faster.
What happens when your ev needs a new battery or motor as that happens on them too. In fact the 8% battery failure rate someone posted in here would be higher then the vast majority of engine or transmission failure rates.
Side note I’m not a big gas prices guy, but it seems to fluctuate like crazy this year.
You replace them, just like you would when you replace an engine or a transmission. Fact of life everything eventually breaks.
Look at an F150, the best selling vehicle in America, a new engine will cost you about $15k for parts and labor. A new transmission is around $8k. You're doing a lot of pearl clutching over something you'll never have.
The oxidation prevention on the stabil is very interesting here.
These guys are goofy in their presentations but they came up with an opposite conclusion, even though admittedly Stabile worked the 'best.'
My conclusion is to avoid ethanol in small engines or anything else that sees storage periods.
You have them replaced. Typical warranty period is around 100k miles. I think CA requires longer.
I agree battery failure is a hurdle to ownership today, just like range anxiety and charge times.
But like I said, todays EVs are the equivalent of a flip phone. There is SO much R&D on battery tech being done, that barriers for consumers will be reduced with each new breakthrough.
But you wanna drive an ICE, you be you.
I'll continue to own an ICE. My auto is 9yo and I typically keep my cars 15. I also live in isolated/rural area where closest town with over 50k people is 3 hours away. So infrastructure is slower to be rolled out and I have concerns about repair shop access.
It will likely be a long time before I get an EV because my budget forces me to buy older vehicles and I have three kids to haul (two kids in car seats).
- My hope is that EV batteries go down in price enough that I can buy a used EV that I could eventually replace the battery with a long range cheaper battery
- I like the look of the Rivian vehicles but the headlights are ugly. The problem is that those ugly headlights are part of their signature design. The rest of the vehicle looks good, though.
- I would prefer to get a van, because I need to be able to haul kids and be able to fold down seats to haul stuff. Trucks are too expensive and a van is practical. I don't care if that makes me look like a dork. Sadly, I don't even think there are any EV mini-vans coming out anytime soon.
Price is probably a barrier for that group yet, but it'll happen once the other sections become normal.
Agree. Only ethanol free gas goes into my small engines. What I would like to see is this same 5 year test with ethanol free gas. Is a stabilizer needed, and if so, are the results the same?
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By no means scientific, and by no means do I recommend others to do the same, but I have ran 4-5 year old ethanol free gas, stored in those metal sealed 'safety cans' in my small engines before. No issues.
Note I normally get about 1-2 years per 4 gal fill up. the 4-5 year stuff was for my 2-cycle stuff (weed eater) that I got overzealous and filled it all the way up. Kept using because it kept working.
safety gas can
Ha, learned this the hard way a couple of seasons ago. Forgot I left it in my power washer as I usually run it out. Ended up taking the carb apart and having to clean it all, luckily it fired back up after that. Will never put ethanol in these deals again.
There is war in the Middle East including an attempted blockade in the Strait of Hormuz. Of course gas prices are going to be volatile.
