I am actually good with crank windows, don't need to repair an electric device down the road. Your phone or tablet is the audio. 150-240 mile range. This will cover you for over 95% of the days you drive.
When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?
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Do you think part of the US hindrance is infrastructure based? There are parts of the US that are struggling to keep up now, throwing another huge load on it could cause issues.
150, but still those are wild concessions to make for a car that still costs $30k (maybe). You can get a Maverick for $30k and it's like a full vehicle by default.
If EVs are putting demand on local infrastructure in CA, they're doing it in a way that is being very easily overcome. Blackouts just because it's hot have been drastically reduced over the past decade even as the % of EVs on the road has absolutely skyrocketed.
I suspect the gains in renewable energy are easily outpacing the stress from having EVs all over the place, to the point just anecdotally I never worry about electrical blackouts anymore even if it hits 105 in August. Some behavioral choices surely help too, people really don't mind not running heavy appliances or charging cars from 4pm to 7pm on a scorching hot 100 degree day, it's not a big deal if people know not to do it.
BYD (and other Chinese companies) are banned here because cheap Chinese labor & government subsidized production costs would put US auto manufacturing out of business.
Yep. California can be powered by solar (for the most part) during the day. Battery storage is picking up so solar is being able to power CA into the night as well. This is why their grid has been holding up much better. Texas is doing the same thing. They had some real grid problem just a few years back with both heat and cold. They've ramped up solar generation and battery storage and their grid has done MUCH better. Basically what I am saying is if you ignore battery storage and use across the board you will not last in the 21st century as a country.
Here is an AI summary of California and what is going on there. https://share.google/aimode/e8aIFh0DLtm4Vczwo
Here is a paragraph from a file that is linked to the AI summary, "Those investments are paying off. The state has not issued a Flex Alert — an emergency call for public electricity conservation — since 2022. Battery storage has allowed the grid to ride through record-breaking heat and extreme weather without outages. In fact, the summer of 2024 was California’s hottest on record according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, yet the grid held strong with zero flex alerts issued.
Battery systems now provide enough capacity to meet the equivalent of roughly one-quarter of California’s record peak demand for several hours."
yeah, it's the best set up really for those of us who actually drive. though surprised Ram is using the 3.6l v6 even for it. but It is a pretty decent motor already in the inventory and they can optimize it for a specific use now.
unfortunately that is just car prices in general anymore. but Slate is aiming for mid $20k MSRP, and the customization aspect is a cool idea.
I agree, this is a great way to get EVs out there. There's not a lot of ICE vehicles available at that price. 2025 avg new vehicle price was right around $50k!
Chevy Trax, Hyundai Venue, for the low 20s and will have AC/Heat, Cruise, and android auto/carplay. Nissan might still have the Versa for below $20k. the average is so inflated now due to Suburbans/Expeditions and trucks now. I really don't get how people are buying these things new anymore.
"The Tesla model y sells more in China than any BYD Model."
The OP was blowing China and how American manufacturers were so far behind. I just wanted to point out that one U.S. manufacture has a model that outsells any BYD model IN CHINA. BYD's BEV's cost 1/2 as much as the model Y in China, and are still being outsold. This would be the equivalent of BYD coming into America , coming out with a 3/4 ton that costs 50%+ more than an F150, Ram, and Silverado and still outselling those 3.
Model Segment Starting Price (RMB) Starting Price (USD Approx.)
Tesla Model Y Mid-Size SUV (BEV) ¥263,500 ~$36,500
BYD Competitors
BYD Song L DM-i Mid-Size SUV (PHEV) ¥139,800 ~$19,300
BYD Sea Lion 07 Mid-Size SUV (BEV) ¥169,800 ~$23,500
BYD Tang DM-i Mid-Size SUV (PHEV) ¥179,800 ~$24,900
BYD Song Pro Compact SUV (PHEV) ¥125,800 ~$17,400
At that discount, Tesla should be selling like 50 Model Y's a year in China.
If you took my post as blowing China I don't know what to tell ya. They're simply ahead from a technology perspective and BYD is the largest seller there. Tesla has 2 affordable models, BYD has several, the argument of 1 model sells more than the other vs 1 make sells more than the other is stupid.
I could get a truck instead of a Tesla sedan. base model tesla is about $10K higher and also missing basic features.
So I've been up in Quebec City all week and I think I figured out who bought all the Ford Lightnings. You couldn't throw a rock up here without hitting one.
They're also being hurt because consumers in China are now more happy buying upscale Chinese made cars, which are getting better - the Euro status symbol is much less of a thing. So a double whammy for the Euro OEMs.
I would say the Economist is not exactly a Chinese propaganda organ.
They had a whole weekly special on what China is doing wrt electrification. They are making EVs, which use the batteries they also make, which are charged by the solar panels they also make. Self-supporting trifecta.
"China is now making more money from exporting green technology than America makes from exporting fossil fuels. "
Economist China Elec
These are pretty funny, I added 300 miles on my work truck in 5 min this morning.
That looks like a damn nice work truck.
Im sure my company would love paying guys for 45+ mins recharge time for all of the trucks on the road.
