Big 12 vs Big Ten Debate

[FriendlySpartan]

Again, I agree but "give an inch...". I don't think they will go there (media revenue) but the path will be there for the future.

Yeah I can’t disagree with that

 

[CyCity]

Good luck?

What kind of revenue cut Iowa gets from the B1G media deal isn't something I go to bed thinking about. It seems to mean a lot to many of you. I guess we'll find out in 5 years.

Iowa fans #1 argument for the last decade is that Iowa State is going to end up in the MAC and is a poverty program. Now you know what it’s like at least.

 

[BCClone]

Iowa will be one they would keep, it is admittedly one of the better brands once you go past the blue bloods. Purdue and Rutgers, yes I would definitely watch out. You still need someone to lose to the big teams

Keep them as target practice. Going 2-10 annually to make 10MM more than ISU isn’t a great deal.

 

[BCClone]

This is the exact quote:

Asked whether that should translate into something different in terms of revenue share, Carter said:

“It doesn't matter what Ted Carter thinks. I think that's going to be a conversation that will be had over time.”

The fact that people are jumping on that bout of nothing is wild. Conversations were had about PE, making students employees, etc that never pan out. I’m not sure how much more of a non answer he could give without pissing off either the conference or his fan base

Because his school was a leader in championing unequal in the big 12.

 

[David Freshman1982]

If we're choosing B1G schools to add to the B12, I'm asking Minny and Nebby long before I'd ask Iowa.

 

[Gunnerclone]

How does that make the most sense?

In this era, an eat-what-you kill mindset is more TV viewership than on-field performance

Carter’s quote is clearly alluding to that.

“I will say that there's only a couple of schools that really represent the biggest brands in the Big Ten, and you can see that by the TV viewership”

Key verbiage.

 

[Gunnerclone]

So why didn’t Carter state that clearly? He left it very open ended. You think that was just coincidence? No way.

It’s crazy in itself he made such specific comments. Could have given the old “all options are on the table” or “not thinking about this now, could revisit later” but just came out guns blazing instead!

 

[Gunnerclone]

We've spent the last 15 years being on the edge of a constant existential crisis while you guys got fat and happy with nothing to worry about in terms of having a comfortable home. It always seemed wildly arbitrary and unfair to us, and the potential that you have to through the same thing is weirdly comforting in a way you couldn't understand until you've been on our side of it.

That probably sounds like word salad, but we see the same frustrations we've dealt with for a long time heading your way, and you seem to be sticking your head in the sand.

Not to mention the thousands of social media posts predicting ISU to be in the MAC.

 

[Gonzo]

If we're choosing B1G schools to add to the B12, I'm asking Minny and Nebby long before I'd ask Iowa.

This just keeps getting better, lol.

 

[deadeyededric]

At some point the NCAA will be obsolete in the college football universe. IMO the new governing body would be better of having equal revenue sharing between all the schools in the Power 5 conferences. JFC the Ohio State's and Texas's of the world will still have a built in advantages financially and otherwise the other schools can't match. I don't see how alienating the remaining 90% of fanbases is advantageous to cfb. The NFL figured this out in the mid-90s.

 

[VeloClone]

Not really. Nebraska was playing for Big 12 conference titles nearly every year then joined the B1G and fell off a cliff.

Bo Pellini coached Nebraska the last 3 years in the Big 12 and the first 4 years in the Big Ten:
Big 12:
'08 - 5-3
'09 - 6-2
'10 - 6-2
Big 10:
'11 - 5-3
'12 - 7-1
'13 - 5-3
'14 - 5-3

I guess I don't see any cliff that Pellini's teams fell off of when Nebraska joined the Big 10. It looks like pretty consistent results.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

Bo Pellini coached Nebraska the last 3 years in the Big 12 and the first 4 years in the Big Ten:
Big 12:
'08 - 5-3
'09 - 6-2
'10 - 6-2
Big 10:
'11 - 5-3
'12 - 7-1
'13 - 5-3
'14 - 5-3

I guess I don't see any cliff that Pellini's teams fell off of when Nebraska joined the Big 10. It looks like pretty consistent results.

Nobody said Bo couldn't coach. It was being an enormous ******* to everyone outside the program that got in his way.

 

[OscarBerkshire]

Nobody said Bo couldn't coach. It was being an enormous ******* to everyone outside the program that got in his way.

Yes but also at the time the Nebraska fans were being completely unreasonable, expecting 90's level success. I think Bo knew that wasn't possible anymore. He is an ******* but his behavior I think is pretty understandable for the state of the fanbase at the time.

 

[Al_4_State]

This just keeps getting better, lol.

It wouldn't be the Big 12 adding teams from the Big 10, but if you had the top 15-20 brands separate in the sport do their own thing, there would be a lot of current Big 10 teams playing current Big 12 teams.

Something like this:
Division A; USC, Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, Oregon, Aggy, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Auburn, Nebraska
Division B: Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Alabama, Clemson, Miami

That would lead to schools like Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, etc playing schools like ISU, the Kansas schools, Mizzou, etc.

 

[BCClone]

It wouldn't be the Big 12 adding teams from the Big 10, but if you had the top 15-20 brands separate in the sport do their own thing, there would be a lot of current Big 10 teams playing current Big 12 teams.

Something like this:
Division A; USC, Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, Oregon, Aggy, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Auburn, Nebraska
Division B: Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Alabama, Clemson, Miami

That would lead to schools like Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, etc playing schools like ISU, the Kansas schools, Mizzou, etc.

Form am alliance with the ACC and let those teams drown.

 

[Al_4_State]

Form am alliance with the ACC and let those teams drown.

Why? Those would be entertaining regional matchups. Exactly what the sport is supposed to be.

 

[BCClone]

Why? Those would be entertaining regional matchups. Exactly what the sport is supposed to be.

Picking up some of those teams is like wanting to play a mid 90s ISU.

 

[Al_4_State]

Picking up some of those teams is like wanting to play a mid 90s ISU.

So?

 

[FinalFourCy]

Why? Those would be entertaining regional matchups. Exactly what the sport is supposed to be.

The future of college football needs both. A core of regionalism, with the brand alignment making sense to historical tastes, but enough inter-regional play to have more of the nation care about all of college football

Something like 8 regional 8-school conferences, but with the non-conference superleague Klatt suggested would be interesting. 7 conference games, and 5 non-conference games against other P8 schools

Expanded playoffs with wildcards also helps increase national interest in our-of-region games. Go to 24, with 1 auto and 1 wildcard per conference, and 8 overall wildcards

 

[Al_4_State]

The future of college football needs both. A core of regionalism, with the brand alignment making sense to historical tastes, but enough inter-regional play to have more of the nation care about all of college football

Something like 8 regional 8-school conferences, but with the non-conference superleague Klatt suggested would be interesting.

Expanded playoffs with wildcards also helps increase national interest in our-of-region games. Go to 24, with 1 auto and 1 wildcard per conference, and 8 overall wildcards

The conference model is absolutely holding the sport back at this point. Imagine if people like Greg Sankey and Jim Delaney had no role.