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legi said:
He said it without saying. That was literally in my reply to you. Can you address my point or just resort to dumb jokes and lol’s?

Why wasn’t he clear about revenue sharing? Do you believe that was just an accident? Do you not think it’s fair to infer from him not being clear that it means he will push for uneven distribution beyond playoff money?
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You're hearing him say things he's not actually I've saying, and I'm the one being dumb. Got it.

He mentioned the current state of revenue distribution per B1G bylaws, talked about how big a brand tOSU is, said conversations will be had over time... obviously him mentioning it will make it an issue, I'd be surprised if conversations about it hadn't already happened. I heard about all of this happening before the B1G signed it's $8 billion media deal, nothing happened. I remember hearing how tOSU and Michigan and PSU were going to bolt for the SEC after OuT happened. Lol.

I have no doubt conversations will continue about revenue distribution models, including unequal. I just don't think it will happen with media revenue. Some if you are acting like it's already happened.
 
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Gonzo said:
You're hearing him say things he's not actually I've saying, and I'm the one being dumb. Got it.

He mentioned the current state of revenue distribution per B1G bylaws, talked about how big a brand tOSU is, said conversations will be had over time... obviously him mentioning it will make it an issue, I'd be surprised if conversations about it hadn't already happened. I heard about all of this happening before the B1G signed it's $8 billion media deal, nothing happened. I remember hearing how tOSU and Michigan and PSU were going to bolt for the SEC after OuT happened. Lol.

I have no doubt conversations will continue about revenue distribution models, including unequal. I just don't think it will happen with media revenue. Some if you are acting like it's already happened.
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Al_4_State said:
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Good luck?

What kind of revenue cut Iowa gets from the B1G media deal isn't something I go to bed thinking about. It seems to mean a lot to many of you. I guess we'll find out in 5 years.
 
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Gonzo said:
Good luck?

What kind of revenue cut Iowa gets from the B1G media deal isn't something I go to bed thinking about. It seems to mean a lot to many of you. I guess we'll find out in 5 years.
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We've spent the last 15 years being on the edge of a constant existential crisis while you guys got fat and happy with nothing to worry about in terms of having a comfortable home. It always seemed wildly arbitrary and unfair to us, and the potential that you have to through the same thing is weirdly comforting in a way you couldn't understand until you've been on our side of it.

That probably sounds like word salad, but we see the same frustrations we've dealt with for a long time heading your way, and you seem to be sticking your head in the sand.
 
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Al_4_State said:
We've spent the last 15 years being on the edge of a constant existential crisis while you guys got fat and happy with nothing to worry about in terms of having a comfortable home. It always seemed wildly arbitrary and unfair to us, and the potential that you have to through the same thing is weirdly comforting in a way you couldn't understand until you've been on our side of it.

That probably sounds like word salad, but we see the same frustrations we've dealt with for a long time heading your way, and you seem to be sticking your head in the sand.
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Honestly, I don't care all that much. What kind of cut Iowa makes from the B1G media deal has zero impact on my daily life, happiness, mood, etc. I've learned to live with Iowa already as a second-class citizen with regards to our football program's success/failures. I don't get all that charged up after wins these days, and I don't get all that down after losses. I suppose whenever KF leaves I'll probably feel a little rejuvenated, but even then I've mostly sworn off going to live sports events anymore.

I get that Iowa was born on 3rd base with regards to the current landscape of college football by being a longtime member of the B1G, and can see how that'd be frustrating. I just don't see a majority of B1G university presidents voting in favor of unequal distribution of media revenue anytime soon, including the next round of negotiations. We'll see, I could be wrong.
 
Gonzo said:
You're hearing him say things he's not actually I've saying, and I'm the one being dumb. Got it.

He mentioned the current state of revenue distribution per B1G bylaws, talked about how big a brand tOSU is, said conversations will be had over time... obviously him mentioning it will make it an issue, I'd be surprised if conversations about it hadn't already happened. I heard about all of this happening before the B1G signed it's $8 billion media deal, nothing happened. I remember hearing how tOSU and Michigan and PSU were going to bolt for the SEC after OuT happened. Lol.

I have no doubt conversations will continue about revenue distribution models, including unequal. I just don't think it will happen with media revenue. Some if you are acting like it's already happened.
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Jeez you are very defensive and sensitive when it comes to this topic.

Never said you are dumb. Not sure why you had to say that. Only said you resort to dumb jokes as your replies.

Your reply had lots of words in it and no dumb jokes (improvement) but you still haven’t answered my question. Why was Carter not clear with his answer when talking about uneven revenue sharing? Why not be specific and say that uneven revenue sharing would only be in terms of the playoffs money?
 
legi said:
Jeez you are very defensive and sensitive when it comes to this topic.

Never said you are dumb. Not sure why you had to say that. Only said you resort to dumb jokes as your replies.

Your reply had lots of words in it and no dumb jokes (improvement) but you still haven’t answered my question. Why was Carter not clear with his answer when talking about uneven revenue sharing? Why not be specific and say that uneven revenue sharing would only be in terms of the playoffs money?
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Because he has no idea whether or not it will actually happen?
 
Gonzo said:
I've been saying for a while now it wouldn't surprise me at all if the conference distributes more CFP/bowl money to the schools that earn the bids, which IMO would be completely fair. So that would be unequal revenue sharing. I doubt it'll happen with the media revenue though. The biggest and richest conference following a blueprint that pretty much wrecked the Big 12 wouldn't make much sense.
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The wheels are in motion, and like ISU in all the Big 12 turmoil Iowa/MSU will have zero influence over what ultimately happens. I'll bet you soon see similar quotes come out of Texas and the likes of Georgia. The best for college football as a whole would be if an equal media revenue was forced from the outside like an NFL model. This current path will eventually lead to the relatively few behemoths making far more than anyone else. Exactly how many is a couple? You'll likely soon feel the same hopelessness teams in the PAC 12, ACC, and Big 12 have experienced over the years. Denial is the first stage.
 
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Gonzo said:
Because he has no idea whether or not it will actually happen?
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Or it’s because he will push for uneven revenue sharing beyond playoffs money? Based on the season tv ratings?

If he was committed to uneven revenue sharing with respect to the playoffs money only, then he would’ve said exactly that.
 
legi said:
Or it’s because he will push for uneven revenue sharing beyond playoffs money? Based on the season tv ratings?

If he was committed to uneven revenue sharing with respect to the playoffs money only, then he would’ve said exactly that.
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So then why didn't he say "we're going to push for unequal distribution of media revenue"?

It doesn't make a lot of sense for you to say if he had no intention of doing it he would say exactly that, but then not expect the same out of him if he does have every intention of doing it.
 
Gonzo said:
So then why didn't he say "we're going to push for unequal distribution of media revenue"?

It doesn't make a lot of sense for you to say if he had no intention of doing it he would say exactly that, but then not expect the same out of him if he does have every intention of doing it.
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Your first time
 
FinalFourCy said:
Your first time
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I’ll bet you a we will donation that by 2030 there still won’t be unequal media revenue share in the big ten. As has been talked about I can see teams getting a bigger slice of the cfb money for making the game and even possibility of some additional money if they make a mini tournament and get rid of the championship game. But built in unequal media dollars won’t be happening next time around either.
 
FriendlySpartan said:
I’ll bet you a we will donation that by 2030 there still won’t be unequal media revenue share in the big ten. As has been talked about I can see teams getting a bigger slice of the cfb money for making the game and even possibility of some additional money if they make a mini tournament and get rid of the championship game. But built in unequal media dollars won’t be happening next time around either.
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It may take a round or two, but it’s coming.

Auerbach is well informed. You have routinely proven to be otherwise
 
FinalFourCy said:
It may take a round or two, but it’s coming.

Auerbach is well informed. You have routinely proven to be otherwise
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Based off a quote from a president that’s saying “conversations will be had and my opinion doesn’t matter” it’s such a massive stretch.

Again, if you’re so convinced put your money up for it. I’m 3 for 3 so far on we will donation bets, let’s make it 4 for 4.
 
FriendlySpartan said:
Based off a quote from a president that’s saying “conversations will be had and my opinion doesn’t matter” it’s such a massive stretch.

Again, if you’re so convinced put your money up for it. I’m 3 for 3 so far on we will donation bets, let’s make it 4 for 4.
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Apparently what that really means is there will be unequal media revenue sharing in the B1G and that it's essentially a done deal even though the existing deal has 5 years left.
 
Gonzo said:
Apparently what that really means is there will be unequal media revenue sharing in the B1G and that it's essentially a done deal even though the existing deal has 5 years left.
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This is the exact quote:

Asked whether that should translate into something different in terms of revenue share, Carter said:

“It doesn't matter what Ted Carter thinks. I think that's going to be a conversation that will be had over time.”

The fact that people are jumping on that bout of nothing is wild. Conversations were had about PE, making students employees, etc that never pan out. I’m not sure how much more of a non answer he could give without pissing off either the conference or his fan base
 
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