Big 12 vs Big Ten Debate
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I don't know why OSU, PSU, and Michigan haven't used their leverage in the past. Its always been those 3( and especially OSU)and the rest.
Being smart. You keep pumping up the conference total. At the same time, you start shutting down conferences. Now you have 2 big ones, 2 a couple steps behind, and several quite a ways behind. Now you have Rutgers, Purdue, Iowa, MN, etc a good amount about the other conference schools. They don’t want to take a chance they lose the big dogs so they will agree to take a smaller amount to keep them above the 12 and ACC.
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Wow this is delusional. You may be right, but likely you are wrong sooner or later and like the majority your (you and Gonzo) schools truly have no say in the matter. You have just benefitted from your geographic location to date.
Texas is in now, so they will inevitably cause issues as they always have. Miss, Miss St, Vanderbilt, Missouri etc really aren't brands any more than the teams previously listed in the Big 10 or any in the Big 12 or ACC. Not even sure Oklahoma will eventually make the cut.
I actually really like all of our Big Ten fans that lurk here, Hawkeyes and others...but they are extremely naive on this one. They've run out of expansion projects that bring in more than they take, even picking off the very top ACC brands might just have them shredding water per even split. We saw Washington and Oregon just barely made the cut and really had to beg and that got them the by far biggest brands in entire PNW where they previously had none. One major Florida or Texas school is probably the only addition that moves the needle for Big Ten per capita payout to a larger amount from here...so the next thing is go unequal. I think both $$$ leagues would vastly prefer unequal sharing vs kicking the poor programs out and cannibalizing wins on field in a super league.
If you look at the teams that didn't make the cut...Cal/Stan was not remotely considered and that's a massive bay area metro. Kansas and Arizona got passed over even though they have a lot of positives that would have made for a fit. I'm not sure a UVA or UNC really brings massively more than those two would, if they do it's not by a huge margin.
The Iowas of the world are on a path to being Washington Generals and the threat of "Super League" without them will have them LEAPING to get a smaller piece of the pie than Ohio State and Michigan.
OU is on the Nebraska trajectory.
Unequal revenue in the original Big 12 was probably the ultimate setup for them and it'll never be that good again.
I can't help but think the Big10 higher-ups are mostly regretting their west coast acquisitions. The ex-PAC teams range from pretty good to almost embarrassing. If they were a geographic fit at all, it could be seen as a decent deal for the conference but as it is, it feels more like an albatross around the B1G neck.
TV contracts notwithstanding, I wonder if those schools end up being a net loss for the (pre-acquisition) conference members (and honestly, the TV networks) due to the additional travel costs and lack of fan engagement.
TV contracts notwithstanding, I wonder if those schools end up being a net loss for the (pre-acquisition) conference members (and honestly, the TV networks) due to the additional travel costs and lack of fan engagement.
How does that make the most sense?
In this era, an eat-what-you kill mindset is more TV viewership than on-field performance
Carter’s quote is clearly alluding to that.
“I will say that there's only a couple of schools that really represent the biggest brands in the Big Ten, and you can see that by the TV viewership”
Carter could’ve been very clear and said what you are proposing. But he didn’t. He purposely left it very open ended. That speaks volumes. No way he just misspoke.
There is one money whale left and that is ND, outside of the Irish, no one team that you bring in is going to bring in more cash for any league, that raises the payout to all members of the current league.
But how much money can ND even bring in per team money raise? They have to split it 20 ways. $5M more per team per year? That’s not that significant for B1G. It would be more for the prestige and power.
