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HFCS said:
They’ve been doing it at the expense of programs in other leagues.

After ACC gets picked over they’ll be out of that and turn on the “takers” like Iowa.
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Extremely doubtful for all the reasons that have been stated as nauseam.

Again, know I won’t convince you or any other big 12 fan. You guys have been cheated on repeatedly so just assume that’s the way every relationship has to go. Don’t blame anyone for that view point but that’s just not the way it works everywhere else.
 
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BCClone said:
Texas and OU liked being at the top. USC was the big dog in the PAC. They left to go where they got more money but would need to be challenged by 3-4 or so other teams for that spot. These top level teams always believe they will be one of those top teams.
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No they don’t. You really just don’t understand the blue blood mindset. Every blueboood has had down periods, some never rebound from those down periods.
 
FriendlySpartan said:
Extremely doubtful for all the reasons that have been stated as nauseam.

Again, know I won’t convince you or any other big 12 fan. You guys have been cheated on repeatedly so just assume that’s the way every relationship has to go. Don’t blame anyone for that view point but that’s just not the way it works everywhere else.
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Do you see the big 10 adding anymore teams?
 
FriendlySpartan said:
Extremely doubtful for all the reasons that have been stated as nauseam.

Again, know I won’t convince you or any other big 12 fan. You guys have been cheated on repeatedly so just assume that’s the way every relationship has to go. Don’t blame anyone for that view point but that’s just not the way it works everywhere else.
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They pick over the ACC and do a 180 they don’t like money anymore?
 
MeowingCows said:
Don't forget donor retention, both big and small. Do bigtime donors want to keep giving to the FCS version of Iowa State? Do season ticket holders keep coming back after a few seasons of that?
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I'm honestly torn on these questions. Essentially, we'd get similar football matchups as now without having to put up with the ESPN machine hyping up everyone else. We don't really play anyone in the "highly honored" level very often anyway. If prices level out for fans and we're not compelled to try to punch out of our weight class, I think our fan numbers will be sustainable.

However, if a split were to happen and they still try to raise ticket prices, your average fans will get priced out of their stadium seats quickly.

As far as the donors, I'm not really sure how much they would be affected. I don't think the donors that throw money at ISU have championship expectations now. They may keep the same donation pace to give the Cyclones the best possibility of success in a situation with greater parity.
 
1SEIACLONE said:
Gonzo you seem to want to both say, you are fine with a super league, just as long as schools like EIU are included, but that is it. 20 teams are to few, the NFL has 32, but that is a different animal than college football. The NFL has games in major cities, while college for the most part is played in smaller towns across the country. So the question becomes just how many teams, I get the feeling you would say 40 or so, but at that number you are leaving out a lot of very good programs and fan bases, and getting some that are in for no other reason than because they are currently a member for the B10 or SEC. Does a school like Rutgers, Maryland or Minnesota really belong in a super league more than TCU, KSU, Utah, Arizona State or ISU, other than the fact that they are a current member of the B10?

If they are going to do it, then do it right, you need around 60 teams, maybe even 72, grouped in 6 to 8 team divisions based on geography, and then schedule like the NFL. You win the division, then next year you play all the other winners, you finish last, then you have a last place schedule the following year. Equal media payouts across the board, equal NIL funding, with a limit.
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I stopped reading at your first sentence because, you're doing it again, you're attributing words/ideas to me that I never said. I never said or implied what you're saying I did. First, I am not fine with a "super league" I think it would suck. Second, I know for a fact that Iowa would never be included in a superconference, we're not nearly a good enough program or a big enough brand. Third, it's not because Iowa wouldn't be included in a superconference that I hate the idea, it's because it would take away the excitement of those huge games when they come around... tOSU v. Michigan, Georgia v. Bama, Texas v. Oklahoma, Penn St. v. Oregon, etc. I love it when those games come around each season, and a superconference where they're happening every week would take away the magic and end up making them just another football weekend.
 
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BCClone said:
Do you see the big 10 adding anymore teams?
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Notre dame would get added in a heartbeat.

Outside of them I don’t think there is another program that would be a guaranteed addition. UNC makes some sense but that’s the only other program I could realistically see unless someone pulled a SMU or took a fraction of a media payout.
 
FriendlySpartan said:
It’s not but when leagues get created a stratification process occurs, they could have great years in their current conferences but the point is that the teams that are currently at the top that you mention breaking away don’t want to risk falling off the top. They like being the big fish, their fans like it, the alumni like it. In a 20 team super league that doesn’t happen with consistency anymore and people would be furious.

The current system is legit the best possible outcome for the current blue blood teams. Maybe they would like some transfer portal adjustments but that would be about the only other thing to ask for.
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So a couple more rough seasons in the SEC and we can expect to see Oklahoma come back to the Big 12? If USC doesnt adjust to the Big Ten their fans are gonna ask for a newly formed Pac 12 for far less money?
 
Gonzo said:
I stopped reading at your first sentence because, you're doing it again, you're attributing words/ideas to me that I never said. I never said or implied what you're saying I did. First, I am not fine with a "super league" I think it would suck. Second, I know for a fact that Iowa would never be included in a superconference, we're not nearly a good enough program or a big enough brand. Third, it's not because Iowa wouldn't be included in a superconference that I hate the idea, it's because it would take away the excitement of those huge games when they come around... tOSU v. Michigan, Georgia v. Bama, Texas v. Oklahoma, Penn St. v. Oregon, etc. I love it when those games come around each season, and a superconference where they're happening every week would take away the magic and end up makinig them just another football weekend.
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If Iowa DID make the cut into a 30ish school super league, I'm not sure there would be much joy in being a Hawkeye fan. You'd be at the bottom with no realistic way up.

The best deal for both Iowa and Iowa State is something similar to the status quo persists, OR the top 20 brands break away leaving 60ish schools in a division between the mid majors and the blue bloods that has a big enough following to matter, but where both schools would be consistent Top 10 type squads.
 
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FriendlySpartan said:
Notre dame would get added in a heartbeat.

Outside of them I don’t think there is another program that would be a guaranteed addition. UNC makes some sense but that’s the only other program I could realistically see unless someone pulled a SMU or took a fraction of a media payout.
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The tradition was mentioned. Is there much tradition if they add 2-3 schools and you only play 3-4 of the original teams? Doesn’t that mean tradition isn’t that big to them?
 
ForeverIowan said:
So a couple more rough seasons in the SEC and we can expect to see Oklahoma come back to the Big 12? If USC doesnt adjust to the Big Ten their fans are gonna ask for a newly formed Pac 12 for far less money?
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No because that’s not a super league it’s the SEC with plenty of extremely average programs. Same for USC in the big ten.

But it’s why a super league will never form in the first place for that and a bunch of other reasons.
 
Gonzo said:
No, I don't think the B1G will transition to a model of unequal distribution of media revenue in the near future.
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I never said near future either. They have other schools outside their conference left to keep doing the current model of greed/destruction.

Once that’s gone 100% both conferences go unequal or the “haves” break off and stop subsidizing poor kids like Iowa. Poverty schools like Iowa will go along for threat of super league.

20-30 years. Could go a little faster if big ten gets its wet dream 32 team playoff profit structure to really show there’s absolutely zero adults in charge protecting the sport.
 
BCClone said:
The tradition was mentioned. Is there much tradition if they add 2-3 schools and you only play 3-4 of the original teams? Doesn’t that mean tradition isn’t that big to them?
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You play the teams on a rotation which is a good thing and what everyone wants. Any rivalry’s have been protected. Just about everyone is pretty happy with the current schedule set up
 
Al_4_State said:
If Iowa DID make the cut into a 30ish school super league, I'm not sure there would be much joy in being a Hawkeye fan. You'd be at the bottom with no realistic way up.

The best deal for both Iowa and Iowa State is something similar to the status quo persists, OR the top 20 brands break away leaving 60ish schools in a division between the mid majors and the blue bloods that has a big enough following to matter, but where both schools would be consistent Top 10 type squads.
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Being the whipping post in a 24 team league would be awful no matter the money.
 
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HFCS said:
I never said near future either. They have other schools outside their conference left to keep doing the current model of greed/destruction.

Once that’s gone 100% both conferences go unequal or the “haves” break off and stop subsidizing poor kids like Iowa.

20-30 years. Could go a little faster if big ten gets its wet dream 32 team playoff profit structure to really show there’s absolutely zero adults in charge protecting the sport.
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I mean I can’t say your wrong if youre guessing 20-30 years from now but that’s kinda the annoying part about your side. You can just always say it’s still coming because you can’t prove a negitive like that.
 
FriendlySpartan said:
You play the teams on a rotation which is a good thing and what everyone wants. Any rivalry’s have been protected. Just about everyone is pretty happy with the current schedule set up
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Didn’t Iowa have OSU at home like one time in 10 years or so? Not much of a rotation there.
 
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