Big 12 vs Big Ten Debate

[FinalFourCy]

I think that's a very real possibility.

Or at least unequal revenue sharing. Like they could stay in the Big 10, but they have to take something similar to Big 12/ACC pay and the brands get more.

Honestly, I'd love to see the Top 15-20 brands in the sport go off and do their own thing. All of our nearby Big 10 and SEC schools likely aren't making that cut (maybe, maybe Nebraska) and we could have a schedule that makes sense.

I’d say unequal revenue sharing is rather likely. At least as long as there is uncapped spending. Much more likely to see schools to seek self-interests in a corporate marriage conference in which half the conference are new adds that broke decades of tradition for more money…like we saw in the Big 12, Big East, and ACC

Even more so if the BIG academics can’t help but splurge on the Calford, UVA types.

Let’s either have a true eat-what-you-kill model, or a greater good model. Kill the old country club model

 

[FinalFourCy]

Not really. Nebraska was playing for Big 12 conference titles nearly every year then joined the B1G and fell off a cliff.

Whatever helps you sleep at night

 

[CloneFan65]

Not really. Nebraska was playing for Big 12 conference titles nearly every year then joined the B1G and fell off a cliff.

Nebraska's last four years in the Big 12: 19-13 conference record
Nebraska's first four years in the Big 10: 22-10 conference record.

Hmmm.

 

[Gonzo]

I’m convinced this will either be done in a renegotiated TV deal or in a backhanded way.

B1G will eventually have a mini-playoff to assist with seeding for the CFP. It’ll be monetized and the participating schools will get larger pay outs.

Been hearing about the impending unequal media revenue sharing coming to the B1G for years. Lol. Why wouldn't they have done it this last round when it was an $8 billion media rights deal? Seems like that would've been the perfect time for tOSU and the other bluebloods to stake their higher claim.

What I could see happening is the B1G giving a bigger cut of CFP and bowl revenues to the teams that earn CFP and NY6 bowl games. That would be fair. So in that sense, there could be unequal revenue sharing at some point. But the unequal sharing of media revenues ain't happening anytime soon.

 

[Al_4_State]

I’d say unequal revenue sharing is rather likely. At least as long as there is uncapped spending. Much more likely to see schools to seek self-interests in a corporate marriage conference in which half the conference are new adds that broke decades of tradition for more money…like we saw in the Big 12, Big East, and ACC

Even more so if the BIG academics can’t help but splurge on the Calford, UVA types.

Let’s either have a true eat-what-you-kill model, or a greater good model. Kill the old country club model

I think this is the part that really pisses off Big 12 and ACC fans.

I have 0 issue with Ohio State and Texas making a **** load more than Iowa State. I have all the issues with Purdue, Rutgers, Iowa, Vanderbilt, etc making that kind of money because Ohio State and Michigan weren't as big of ass holes as Texas and Oklahoma were.

 

[Al_4_State]

Been hearing about the impending unequal media revenue sharing coming to the B1G for years. Lol. Why wouldn't they have done it this last round when it was an $8 billion media rights deal? Seems like that would've been the perfect time for tOSU and the other bluebloods to stake their higher claim.

What I could see happening is the B1G giving a bigger cut of CFP and bowl revenues to the teams that earn CFP and NY6 bowl games. That would be fair. So in that sense, there could be unequal revenue sharing at some point. But the unequal sharing of media revenues ain't happening anytime soon.

If you guys would just acknowledge your blind ******* luck of Ohio State and Michigan's altruism, this entire topic would be so much less annoying.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

Are we seriously still arguing about Nebraska's transition to the Big 10 14 years ago?

C'mon guys...

 

[Gonzo]

If you guys would just acknowledge your blind ******* luck of Ohio State and Michigan's altruism, this entire topic would be so much less annoying.

I get that Iowa has been very lucky. No argument here.

 

[Al_4_State]

I get that Iowa has been very lucky. No argument here.

And really, I mean the royal "you".

It just doesn't seem to come up much in the greater discussion of this, and Iowa's not the only one. Minnesota, Illinois, NW, Indiana, Purdue, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Maryland, UCLA, Rutgers, Michigan State, etc all are on the field more like Big 12 or ACC schools as well. Half of the SEC is in the same boat.

There are 15ish schools that really generate the bulk of the revenue in this sport

 

[FriendlySpartan]

If you guys would just acknowledge your blind ******* luck of Ohio State and Michigan's altruism, this entire topic would be so much less annoying.

I don’t think too many people are blind to where the top teams are in the conference, Michigan has had its share of down years but OSU has been pretty constantly excellent for awhile now and just appears to be a machine.

I think the push back sometimes comes from the fact that big12 fans in particular don’t understand that every conference relationship doesn’t have to be like Texas where so many of the fans are waiting for a major heel turn. The fact is, that while you can look at is as altruism the main difference is that OSU and to a lesser extent Michaign have benefited greatly from the conference’s composition in the modern era. It’s a bit of a two way street.

If OSU went on a downturn the way Texas did I could see them trying to push the advantage more. I don’t think it would work but I could for sure see it happening if they fell off.

 

[FinalFourCy]

Been hearing about the impending unequal media revenue sharing coming to the B1G for years. Lol. Why wouldn't they have done it this last round when it was an $8 billion media rights deal? Seems like that would've been the perfect time for tOSU and the other bluebloods to stake their higher claim.

No you haven’t. The revenue gradients to drive this are new, and haven’t even fully occurred

The first move was always going to be consolidation of conferences. But the underlying dynamics still exist. The forces at play aren’t unique to the Big 12, PAC, or ACC.

The history and tradition of being peers was a temporary moat for the P2, but a 20+ school BIG full of schools that destroyed tradition to make more money breaches that.

I get this helps you sleep at night, but the “why hasn’t it happened yet then” fallacy is how most with limited Overton Windows have chronically been wrong on realignment. Classic fan-think when encountering unfavorable uncertainty

There is a lot of money that will be looking to exploit the fact OSU and Michigan types are subsidizing the MSU and Purdue types

 

[FriendlySpartan]

No you haven’t. The revenue gradients to drive this are new, and haven’t even fully occurred

The first move was always going to be consolation of conferences. But the underlying dynamics still exist. The forces at play aren’t unique to the Big 12, PAC, or ACC.

The history and tradition of being peers was a temporary moat for the P2, but a 20+ school BIG full of schools that destroyed tradition to make more money breaches that.

I get this helps you sleep at night, but the “why hasn’t it happened yet then” fallacy is how most with limited Overton Windows have chronically been wrong on realignment. Classic fan-think when encountering unfavorable uncertainty

There is a lot of money that will be looking to exploit the fact OSU and Michigan types are subsidizing the MSU and Purdue types

@Al_4_State didn't even take 5 mins to show you exactly what I was talking about

 

[Gonzo]

No you haven’t. The revenue gradients to drive this are new, and haven’t even fully occurred

The first move was always going to be consolation of conferences. But the underlying dynamics still exist. The forces at play aren’t unique to the Big 12, PAC, or ACC.

The history and tradition of being peers was a temporary moat for the P2, but a 20+ school BIG full of schools that destroyed tradition to make more money breaches that.

I get this helps you sleep at night, but the “why hasn’t it happened yet then” fallacy is how most with limited Overton Windows have chronically been wrong on realignment. Classic fan-think when encountering unfavorable uncertainty

There is a lot of money that will be looking to exploit the fact OSU and Michigan types are subsidizing the MSU and Purdue types

Lol, good luck with that.

The B1G and SEC have built themselves and navigated all the conference madness that's been happening for over a decade now in a way that's made them the richest and strongest conferences in the country. And they've done it without transitioning to unequal sharing of media revenues, even though they've had multiple opportunities, including the B1G bluebloods having a chance to claim a bigger share of an $8 billion media pie in their most recent deal.

But yeah, after positioning themselves for where they are today as the P2, I'm sure they'll look at the same kind of unequal revenue sharing model that basically eviscerated the Big 12 and say "yep, that's what we should be doing." Lol.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Lol, good luck with that.

The B1G and SEC have built themselves and navigated all the conference madness that's been happening for over a decade now in a way that's made them the richest and strongest conferences in the country. And they've done it without transitioning to unequal sharing of media revenues, even though they've had multiple opportunities, including the B1G bluebloods having a chance to claim a bigger share of an $8 billion media pie in their most recent deal.

But yeah, after positioning themselves for where they are today as the P2, I'm sure they'll look at the same kind of unequal revenue sharing model that basically eviscerated the Big 12 and say "yep, that's what we should be doing." Lol.

Appreciate you fighting but you’re never going to convince them. They are the person who got cheated on and are so bitter they go around telling everyone in a relationship that it will happen to them to. It’s a perfect strategy because even if nothing happens in the next ten years they can still just say the same thing of “oh just keep waiting it will happen to you to”

 

[Gonzo]

Appreciate you fighting but you’re never going to convince them. They are the person who got cheated on and are so bitter they go around telling everyone in a relationship that it will happen to them to. It’s a perfect strategy because even if nothing happens in the next ten years they can still just say the same thing of “oh just keep waiting it will happen to you to”

Well if it does happen it ain't happening until after 2030. So I guess that buys them some time.

 

[12191987]

And really, I mean the royal "you".

It just doesn't seem to come up much in the greater discussion of this, and Iowa's not the only one. Minnesota, Illinois, NW, Indiana, Purdue, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Maryland, UCLA, Rutgers, Michigan State, etc all are on the field more like Big 12 or ACC schools as well. Half of the SEC is in the same boat.

There are 15ish schools that really generate the bulk of the revenue in this sport

UCLA is an outlier there.

They were just selected by the Big 10. It seems unlikely this was solely to be USC’s west coast sidekick. Granted, it contradicts the narrative that football brand value is the only criterion, but you can’t really attribute their position to luck. Well, you could but only in the sense that luck is a factor for every school’s position.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

Appreciate you fighting but you’re never going to convince them. They are the person who got cheated on and are so bitter they go around telling everyone in a relationship that it will happen to them to. It’s a perfect strategy because even if nothing happens in the next ten years they can still just say the same thing of “oh just keep waiting it will happen to you to”

I mean, Jamie kind of led the charge to let Texas and Oklahoma have an open relationship and then acted shocked when they decided they'd just rather be with the hotter, wealthier woman full time.

He was right to do it in the moment but all it did was kick the can down the road a few years.

The best possible thing the Big 12 could do at this point is to market that they are 'real college sports'.

 

[12191987]

I mean, Jamie kind of led the charge to let Texas and Oklahoma have an open relationship and then acted shocked when they decided they'd just rather be with the hotter, wealthier woman full time.

He was right to do it in the moment but all it did was kick the can down the road a few years.

The best possible thing the Big 12 could do at this point is to market that they are 'real college sports'.

Can someone explain how guarantee games fit into this analogy?

 

[Al_4_State]

Appreciate you fighting but you’re never going to convince them. They are the person who got cheated on and are so bitter they go around telling everyone in a relationship that it will happen to them to. It’s a perfect strategy because even if nothing happens in the next ten years they can still just say the same thing of “oh just keep waiting it will happen to you to”

The thing is, this has happened in every conference that’s dominated by a couple of brands. It’s not just Texas. USC did the same thing, and FSU and Clemson will the second they get a chance.

Ohio State/Michigan/Penn State not ruthlessly chasing their last possible dollar is the outlier in college football.

Maybe they’ll always be fine letting you exist at their largesse - they have thus far. But the majority of similarly situated entities have eventually grown tired of it.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

The thing is, this has happened in every conference that’s dominated by a couple of brands. It’s not just Texas. USC did the same thing, and FSU and Clemson will the second they get a chance.

Ohio State/Michigan/Penn State not ruthlessly chasing their last possible dollar is the outlier in college football.

Maybe they’ll always be fine letting you exist at their largesse - they have thus far. But the majority of similarly situated entities have eventually grown tired of it.

Notice you didn’t mention the SEC though.

When the conference is struggling either on the field or with media dollars then I totally agree with you that those situations can go sideways quickly. That point though is also why Big Ten fans dismiss those statements as the money is already at the top and the on field performance is currently at the top as well.

If all of a sudden the big ten was 3/4th in money or getting regularly crushed in the playoffs then yeah that would be a real problem. But we’re a long ways away from that happening if it ever does