Young's Hit

[Clonefan94]

This would solve so many problems is a great idea. Young MAYBE should of gotten ejected (based solely on how they seem to be policing the game, right or wrong). However, there’s not fair world where the kid can’t play half of the next game based on a football hit like that.

Yes. I just don't see how you punish a kid and team with this amount of severity when the receiver had the ball, made a move, then also lowered his head. As the rule stands, I don't have a huge issue with the call or even the ejection, but what Young did was completely different than truly targeting a defenseless receiver.

 

[t-noah]

@Aclone, during game thread said ISU might be able to challenge the targeting call against Young, or atleast the 1st half suspension next game. So what do you guys think? Will that happen and what are chances Young might be able to play 1st half against OSU?

 

[t-noah]

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Video of 4th down stop available here.

If you stay on the vid of Young's great stop, after that there's a clip of Chase Allen's TD catch.

Really glad Chase got that one! Especially after the 1st one he caught was called back.

 

[BCClone]

That's the problem, they adopted a more general interpretation to cover their ass. On this hit in particular the helmets hit because of the direction of the vectors not because Young aimed for it and if lowering your head is going to be a penalty then it's basically unfixable. You're trained since day one in football when you're a little kid, the lower man wins in one on one hits. That's a bang bang play. Needs to be discretion involved.

I agree but the other factor is the new tackling technique that is taught starting in youth football throughout. I had other parents fight me on teaching it to 5-6 graders since they were old school. That eliminates many of the head to heads

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

I agree but the other factor is the new tackling technique that is taught starting in youth football throughout. I had other parents fight me on teaching it to 5-6 graders since they were old school. That eliminates many of the head to heads

Sure many, but that play isn't one of them. Guy probably score if he doesn't make a play. How else is Young to better tackle him? How about the Tech player who is bending at the waist? That's just as dangerous to Young as it is to himself. The whole thing is garbage right now. More common sense.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

@Aclone, during game thread said ISU might be able to challenge the targeting call against Young, or atleast the 1st half suspension next game. So what do you guys think? Will that happen and what are chances Young might be able to play 1st half against OSU?

I’d imagine we will appeal it and will lose.

 

[isufbcurt]

Unfortunately there is a warrant out for his arrest - he's wanted for murdering a TT RB.

 

[TedKumsher]

As others have said, make it an ejection from the game and leave it at that. Suspension for the first half of the next game is way too severe, particularly for teams that aren’t as deep. . . .

Unfortunately I would think that many would find that unfair. Big difference between the ejection happening on the first play of a game and the last play (where there would effectively be no punishment).
Note that I'm not advocating for the current setup. I'm just saying -- if ejection from the game is considered an appropriate punishment, I don't see any other fair way to do it without making it even longer -- like 60 minutes of game clock instead of the remainder of the current half plus the entire next half.

 

[Clonedogg]

Unfortunately there is a warrant out for his arrest - he's wanted for murdering a TT RB.

LOL, during the game I said, "That guy just got erased." I know its somewhat of an older term but very applicable here.

 

[qwerty]

Yes I agree that that needs to be fixed. What bothers me is that if the penalty occurs one second into the second half, or with just one second left in the second half, it carries over into the first half of the next game. They're definitely needed to be some latitude there.

I would like to see it changed to 30 minutes of game clock or some set time amount which addresses that issue. Or at the least, go to quarters. Ejected for current + next two quarters so fourth quarter is first half of next game same as today but third quarter would be first quarter only in next game.

 

[cyclonespiker33]

I'm just genuinely curious how Young should have made that tackle to not get a penalty.

Either take out his knees or try to tackle him while standing straight up and likely miss it?

 

[Clonefan32]

It's a silly rule but not going anywhere. I just think it's an inevitability that guys at the safety and linebacker position will have a hit or two like this each year and you need some depth behind them. I certainly don't think you want guys playing half speed fearing a penalty.

 

[Statefan10]

I'm just genuinely curious how Young should have made that tackle to not get a penalty.

Either take out his knees or try to tackle him while standing straight up and likely miss it?

The only thing he could've done was not hit him helmet to helmet, even though what he did was not malicious and was 100% reactionary. It's a flag and an ejection because of the rule.

If he leads with his shoulder and doesn't hit him as high, there's no ejection, but there could still be "hitting a defenseless receiver" (another dumb rule).

What you're essentially asking these players to do is make split second decisions that are virtually impossible with the speed they're playing at. The defense also gets jipped 99% of the time and never takes into account the offensive player dipping their head down, which is SUPPOSED to be a penalty.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

Has this been appealed, do we know?

 

[VeloClone]

The only thing he could've done was not hit him helmet to helmet, even though what he did was not malicious and was 100% reactionary. It's a flag and an ejection because of the rule.

If he leads with his shoulder and doesn't hit him as high, there's no ejection, but there could still be "hitting a defenseless receiver" (another dumb rule).

What you're essentially asking these players to do is make split second decisions that are virtually impossible with the speed they're playing at. The defense also gets jipped 99% of the time and never takes into account the offensive player dipping their head down, which is SUPPOSED to be a penalty.

Just like a ball carrier grasping the facemask of an opponent should be a penalty but is almost universally never called. There is a lot of leeway given the ball carrier on a stiff arm even if it becomes less of a stiffarm and more of a facemask.

 

[Statefan10]

Just like a ball carrier grasping the facemask of an opponent should be a penalty but is almost universally never called. There is a lot of leeway given the ball carrier on a stiff arm even if it becomes less of a stiffarm and more of a facemask.

Precisely. Personally, I think that every single time there is a targeting penalty, the officials should watch the ball carriers head to see if it dips before the defensive player's head does. Who's helmet enforces the contact? If it's both, pick the flag up and there should be no penalty. That's part of football. If either or, make the call.

 

[motorcy90]

The only thing he could've done was not hit him helmet to helmet, even though what he did was not malicious and was 100% reactionary. It's a flag and an ejection because of the rule.

If he leads with his shoulder and doesn't hit him as high, there's no ejection, but there could still be "hitting a defenseless receiver" (another dumb rule).

he did lead with his shoulder.. watching the play you can see he turns his body and his shoulder is the first thing that makes contact. the helmet to helmet was incidental and again caused by the receiver ducking his head.

 

[Statefan10]

he did lead with his shoulder.. watching the play you can see he turns his body and his shoulder is the first thing that makes contact. the helmet to helmet was incidental and again caused by the receiver ducking his head.

Yeah I think I was being too critical. The only thing Young could've done was either drop to his knees and take the guys legs out, or essentially be able to know that the guy was going to dip his helmet and make sure not an inch of his helmet hit the guy.

So, overall, virtually impossible to Young to make that decision in real time and it was a ticky tack call where two helmets made contact with one another (just like every single play in football).

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

I'm just genuinely curious how Young should have made that tackle to not get a penalty.

Either take out his knees or try to tackle him while standing straight up and likely miss it?

Taking out his legs is just as much likely to cause an injury.

 

[IceCyIce]

Why any on field ref has anything to do with any review off their i phone is beyond me. you cant see the details