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MLB: Wrigley Field in "Brutal Shape?"

IcSyU said:
Minus the part where it hasn't been in the top 5 in attendance in the past decade.

And are Cubs fans really going to say Wrigley has more history than Old Yankee Stadium? It isn't even close. Wrigley is a hell hole and if the taxpayers are going to be on the hook for it, they should build a new stadium instead of gutting Wrigley. Let 'em play on the south side for a couple years if they have to in order for a stadium to be built on the current site.
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That probably has something to do with Wrigley being one of the smallest ballparks in the league. Ever since 2003 when they almost made the world series it has been next to impossible to get tickets to Wrigley unless you use Stub Hub or something. This year has been different, however.
 
IcSyU said:
Minus the part where it hasn't been in the top 5 in attendance in the past decade.
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In percent of capacity, the Cubs have been in the top 5 every year in the past decade. The issue is that Wrigley is small (41000 capacity) and tickets are expensive -- in 2010, the Cubs had the highest average ticket price in MLB, just ahead of the Red Sox and Yankees (those three were way higher than anyone else).

https://www.teammarketing.com/public/files/2010_MLB_FCI.pdf
 
chuckd4735 said:
The three biggest things are how the conditions seem to change at Wrigley just about every few hours. Its hard to build a team around the "home field advantages" of Wrigley Field. It can go from a hitters park to a pitchers park from one inning to the next. Another would be the player facilities at Wrigley are completely outdated, and way behind just about every other ball park out there. Lastly, the City of Chicago limiting the # of nights games they can have because of Wrigley being in a residential area. Its hard to get used playing baseball at many different times during the day throughout the season.
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You first point is bogus - have you ever been to san francisco and seen the weather changes - home of the world champion giants. -- Actually none of your points hold water.
 
rebecacy said:
You first point is bogus - have you ever been to san francisco and seen the weather changes - home of the world champion giants. -- Actually none of your points hold water.
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They most definitely hold water. I'm not blaming any of those things on the reason the Cubs have not won a World Series, I'm just pointing out that they put the Cubs at a disadvantage over many teams. You cant argue that. Can those conditions be overcome, yes. The Cubs did a good job of overcoming them in 2003 and 2007, however, take those disadvantages away, and the opportunities/likelihood of winning a championship would increase.

Also, I'm not going to go around digging for articles, but players have been quoted multiple times in the past saying how each of the three things I pointed out put the Cubs at a disadvantage.
 
chuckd4735 said:
They most definitely hold water. I'm not blaming any of those things on the reason the Cubs have not won a World Series, I'm just pointing out that they put the Cubs at a disadvantage over many teams. You cant argue that. Can those conditions be overcome, yes. The Cubs did a good job of overcoming them in 2003 and 2007, however, take those disadvantages away, and the opportunities/likelihood of winning a championship would increase.

Also, I'm not going to go around digging for articles, but players have been quoted multiple times in the past saying how each of the three things I pointed out put the Cubs at a disadvantage.
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Weather changes in chicago pale in comparison to san fran, if facilities inhibit championships, i'll eat my hat and the day game argument is laughable.
 
rebecacy said:
Weather changes in chicago pale in comparison to san fran, if facilities inhibit championships, i'll eat my hat and the day game argument is laughable.
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Honestly, your words really hold no merit knowing that failure in the Cubs organization is a healthy dose of Viagra for you.

Why dont you grab your bag of pork rinds and get back to your Gene Chizik shrine...
 
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chuckd4735 said:
Honestly, your words really hold no merit knowing that failure in the Cubs organization is a healthy dose of Viagra for you.

Why dont you grab your bag of pork rinds and get back to your Gene Chizik shrine...
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He's right, though. They are weak excuses.

Sure, SF hasn't won a bunch of titles since they moved out west, but they've been in the mix a whole lot. It can be done whenever we play.
 
CycloneErik said:
He's right, though. They are weak excuses.

Sure, SF hasn't won a bunch of titles since they moved out west, but they've been in the mix a whole lot. It can be done whenever we play.
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And the Cubs have had there fair share of chances as well. AGAIN, I'm not saying they are the sole reasons the Cubs are not winning, but it most definitely put the Cubs at a disadvantage over many teams...
 
CycloneChris said:
Again, that's only happened in the last 15 years or so.
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Dude, that's BS. The ambiance outside Wrigley has existed ever since I've been going to games there, which is longer than 15 years. And I'm not talking about the bars and crap like that.
 
CycloneErik said:
He's right, though. They are weak excuses.

Sure, SF hasn't won a bunch of titles since they moved out west, but they've been in the mix a whole lot. It can be done whenever we play.
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Thanks Eric -- It's hard to lose and even harder to support a losing team but let's make up excuses with merit.
 
dtclones said:
Dude, that's BS. The ambiance outside Wrigley has existed ever since I've been going to games there, which is longer than 15 years. And I'm not talking about the bars and crap like that.
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The crappy buildings around Wrigley ONLY have value because Wrigley is there. For a minute take wrigley away. The solution to the blight would certainly involve bulldozers.
 
Senolcyc said:
You are correct. It's a very historic neighborhood. My earliest Cub memories are watching the Sunday afternoon TV games in the 1960s with Jack Brickhouse doing the play-by-play. Hey Hey! The buildings across the streets in the outfield are mostly the same. There is one with a spire on it that used to say WGN9 or some such and later it said Budweiser.

I'm one of the oldest farts here and I've got your back: it IS an historic neighborhood.
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Classic stuff here. Definitive answers based on your earliest memories of how the neighborhood looked on TV in the 60s. Nevermind the fact that over half the building across the street from Wrigley don't look the same as they did in the 90's, let alone the 60s.
 
dtclones said:
Dude, that's BS. The ambiance outside Wrigley has existed ever since I've been going to games there, which is longer than 15 years. And I'm not talking about the bars and crap like that.
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Honestly, how old are you, and what do you consider "ambiance"

In the early 90s, was it the car wash, McDonalds, and el station?
 
Clark said:
Yes or no. Were those streets there longer than 15 years. I'm sure they've been repaved over the years, but has Sheffield, Waveland, Clark, and Addison been there over 15 years?
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The streets have been there for more than 15 years. What's your point? Make sure you re-read the thread to not look like an idiot if you choose to continue.
 
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