Would you rather:

Would you rather

  • Natty this year

    Votes: 224 88.9%
  • 10 more years of Campbell

    Votes: 28 11.1%

  • Total voters
    252

CyValley2

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Ya but what about the Roman Empire? Is that strange to think about?

Well, in recent weeks I've read William Manchester's book, 'A World Lit Only by FIre: The Medieval Mind and the Renaissance'.

Manchester began by exploring recent human history to describe our present day (including Rome; 2500 years ago is a drop in the bucket in time for human development) that led to the Middle Ages. Really, fascinating stuff.

Today, I can see it. We are a product of our recent history, not distant events buried in prehistory. So, for me, CMC's mission to educate young men is a marvelous goal. Better than the Spartan creed, for example. . . .

Yah! Rome!
 

CyValley2

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I don’t understand what any of this means. What buy-in requires losing values? Also what does values have to do with winning a natty?

I respect your viewpoint. Mine is different.

My perspective, power-money elites rule our world, as it ever has been. If we intend to compete against such power, if we do not triumph against such people but maintain our values (as CMC has explained what his are), then so be it. I'm good with that.

That is all.
 

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I respect your viewpoint. Mine is different.

My perspective, power-money elites rule our world, as it ever has been. If we intend to compete against such power, if we do not triumph against such people but maintain our values (as CMC has explained what his are), then so be it. I'm good with that.

That is all.
I respect your values but it was a hypothetical question if you would rather win the natty this year or 10 more years of Campbell. It’s football played by 18-22 year olds. Lighten up, I hope you are more fun at parties
 
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CyValley2

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Can you imagine the reaction in Iowa City?

Here is what I don't understand. Why do so many of us care what these other people think? What do we think of ourselves as we go about ISU business? Are we less if we don't win a natty?

Me? I don't give a whit (see, I cleaned that up) what EIU fans think. What they think isn't important. Why? The last thing they will do is give ISU respect.

My perspective is WWII, for example, when 16-1/2 million Americans in uniform put it all on the line (and so many more millions in support) to win a 'natty'. When winning is critical, crucial, has the ultimate meaning.

Winning sports championships are cool, enlivening, tons of fun. But theyu're so important that you can die happy? Me, I can die happy that we won the utlimate championship, the defeat of Hitler and Tojo. It don't get better than that, and puts sports in perspective.

But, that's just me. I'll stop now.

Go Cylones!
 

CyValley2

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I respect your values but it was a hypothetical question if you would rather win the natty this year or 10 more years of Campbell. It’s football played by 18-22 year olds. Lighten up, I hope you are more fun at parties

Great point, I lost sight of the original point. I can't lighten up, I is who I is. Heh
 

Erik4Cy

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Which does more for the program?
IMO - you're asking two different questions here with your poll vs post questions.

Which does more for the program? Campbell here for 10 years, absolutely. Stability & consistency is what every PROGRAM strives for.

However, which would you rather have?

Most fans would all say Natty (assuming the 10 years of Matt Campbell option means no natty.) The fans watch and pack the stadiums where ISU plays for the sole reason of seeing something memorable that they'll remember FOREVER. A natty would be the biggest moment in ISU sports for every. single. fan.

Right now, I would say the biggest memorable moment for most ISU fans (unless they're very young) would be the 2011 upset of #2 OKST. I'll never forget that game. It would immediately get pushed to a very distant #2 memory wise if ISU won a natty.