Look at what he has done with the Raptors. He has statistics that are very similar to what Fred has done with the Clones. He is on the short list for Steve Kerr as assistant on the rumor circuit.
Why not Nurse?
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I'm pretty sure I saw that TJ is considered one of the top 5 recruiters in the Nation. Sorry, but can't find the link again. Recruiting is everything in college BB. I know I wouldn't want to deal with pampered 18 year olds, let alone their parents, uncles, aunts, etc.
TJ "has it", and the recruits love him. It is imperative that we keep someone like this on the staff. Wasn't this Fred's first request when he initially took the ISU job; that TJ stayed on the staff and received a nice raise in return?....
The reason I ask is that so many voice their opposition to having Otz as Head Coach........and then they insist that he must be retained as an assistant. That really makes no sense.
So the logic is that because Otz is an excellent recruiter he should always remain a recruiter and not be able to become Head Coach. Meanwhile guys who are not good at recruiting are allowed to become Head Coaches........and Otz is supposed to get them the recruits to be successful.......which may actually overshadow the fact that they may not be that great of coaches......but just had good recruiters like Otz getting them the players to win.
I think Michael Nurse would be awesome as an assistant or recruiting coach. He is one of my favorites and a memeber of the REAL 2000 National Champions. A great Cyclone. Welcome home Mike!
If who you speak of is from Cedar Falls.....go pound some.
If who you speak of is from Cedar Falls.....go pound some.
The problem with Nurse is that he really doesn't move the barometer any more than TJ but has more question marks.
He moves jobs more than college kids change their underwear, he hasn't been a lead recruiter, he has been a candidate for a million college openings and never gotten the offer, he's destined for the NBA (though I think a lifer as an assistant), and he wouldn't have the support of a large percentage of the donor-base.
He moves jobs more than college kids change their underwear, he hasn't been a lead recruiter, he has been a candidate for a million college openings and never gotten the offer, he's destined for the NBA (though I think a lifer as an assistant), and he wouldn't have the support of a large percentage of the donor-base.
More question marks? He wouldn't have the one big question mark that Otz has...Can he run a team and manage a game from the HC chair. Anyone can hire a recruiter.
Obviously they can't. You act like recruiting is simple. Biggest challenge in the game today. Pretty much everyone knows the X's and O's or can find a lifer to help them with that. Recruiting is the tough part.
You have everything Bass Ackwards.
um, didnt ISU golden boy FH use Iowa State as a stepping stone to the NBA? ISU is going to be a stepping stone to something, it isn't a destination. Get the best guy you can, while you can.
Recruiting IS simple. Evaluation and building a team where the pieces fit well together is hard. I think that YOU are the one who has things wrong. The HC is very rarely your main recruiter and the assistants very rarely are the ones calling plays during games.
I guess I'd rather have an X&O guy who can hire a recruiter than a recruiter who hires an X&O guy.
I don't disagree with that. I'm not sold on the hire, but if he gets the right staff and they start pulling recruits, I'll be on board.
Recruiting isn't Simple
If recruiting was simple, building a successful program would be easy.
Recruiting is tough. It takes passion for recruiting, developing relationships with HS, prep, Juco coaches. It also takes a guy who can relate to young kids.
For a school like ISU that resides in a state with few Big12 quality HS players recruiting is even a bigger deal. It takes 2-3 strong recruiters to build a strong program and the head coach really should be one of them. I also feel it is too easy to label coaches as recruiters or X&O guys. At ISU's level that have to be solid at both.
I think when you start talking about characteristics needed to be a great head coach we are talking about intangibles like leadership, knowing how to relate to players, etc. Those were qualities Fred Hoiberg had in spades. I don't think people would ever say he was great at X&Os or recruiting.
If recruiting was simple, building a successful program would be easy.
Recruiting is tough. It takes passion for recruiting, developing relationships with HS, prep, Juco coaches. It also takes a guy who can relate to young kids.
For a school like ISU that resides in a state with few Big12 quality HS players recruiting is even a bigger deal. It takes 2-3 strong recruiters to build a strong program and the head coach really should be one of them. I also feel it is too easy to label coaches as recruiters or X&O guys. At ISU's level that have to be solid at both.
I think when you start talking about characteristics needed to be a great head coach we are talking about intangibles like leadership, knowing how to relate to players, etc. Those were qualities Fred Hoiberg had in spades. I don't think people would ever say he was great at X&Os or recruiting.
Does this translate to ISU?...
I have no idea if he's the right coach. He may be great, he may be an epic fail.
If you read closely, I said recruiting is simple and it is. Recruiting is a sales job. Know your product, know the clientele, know the environment, develop relationships. The hard part about recruiting is knowing who to recruit and how they'll fit on your team. I'm guessing FH was horrible at recruiting (not really in his nature) but he was very, very good at evaluating talent and building a team.
What I'm saying is that anyone can hire a salesman. But not that many can direct that person to go after the players that can have the most impact on your team. That's evaluation and the best at that make a crapload of money.
