Where Will ISU End Up if the Big 12 Implodes?

Where Will ISU End Up If the Big 12 Implodes?


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deadeyededric

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IIRC, the Big Ten wasn’t happy over it, right? But the papers were signed, so it blew over.

Somehow CF has construed that into “B1G doesn’t care about AAU.”
I remember the Big Ten pretty much saying if they knew that was going to happen they wouldn't have let them join.
 

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Eastern IA -> Raleigh, NC -> Madison, WI
ACC / B12 merger of sorts...

Acc drops wake, bc, Syracuse, gT, adds ND
Combine the 18 remain for an east / west divison

Great crossover basketball opportunities, while keeping a small football footprint with selective cross overs.

Pretty even football divisions.

East
UNC NCSU FSU MIA CLEMSON UVA VT DUKE ND

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ISU KU KSU OSU TTU TCU WVU LOU BAY
ACC would never ever drop Wake. It's the Carolina Conference
 
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I remember the Big Ten pretty much saying if they knew that was going to happen they wouldn't have let them join.

Just my hunch, but I'm guessing stuff like AAU status matters a whole lot less than it used to - simply because there aren't as many schools to choose from any longer (thanks to consolidation), and it's pretty nakedly dollars and cents driving the bus here and the pretense of any of this being driven by academics is done.

We'll see.
 
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I'm staying away from the ledge.

OU and TX may be shopping around, but if they go anywhere, it won't be for 5 more years because the Big 12 owns their TV revenue until then.

I also doubt OSU is going to the Pac 12 because the Oklahoma legislature has said before that OU and OSU are a package deal.

Finally, I don't think it's a given that KU would end up on the Big 10. They have the worst football program and football facilities in the country. The Big 10 is already dragged down by Rutgers, and I don't think they want to take on another program that is the laughing stock of Div I football.

I do worry, though, that this latest flirtation by OU and UT has destroyed whatever level of trust and loyalty the Big 12 had developed after the last missile crisis.
 
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Just my hunch, but I'm guessing stuff like AAU status matters a whole lot less than it used to - simply because there aren't as many schools to choose from any longer (thanks to consolidation), and it's pretty nakedly dollars and cents driving the bus here and the pretense of any of this being driven by academics is done.

We'll see.

Could still for B1G (wanting that exclusive feel) but I think P12 is more desperate for $$ now and will be more open to taking a TT or Okie State even with weaker academics.
 

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What would "newly constituted" be that is significantly different than just joining the American?

Iowa State
OK State
KSU
Baylor
SMU
Houston
BYU
Cincy
Colorado State?
WVU?

Top teams from BYU/MWC/AAC join Big 12 remaining?

It's nuts that Big 12 stadiums have grown in quality by magnitudes across the board except for KU and somehow if worst case rumors are true KU football is the team that gets to stay in a major conference.
 
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Welp, sounds like we're going to get the answer to this sooner rather than later.

Ok Texas and OU. Sure, go next year. We'll have their tv revenue for 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025. The 8 of us will still have all the Fox and ESPN revenue to split.
 
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deadeyededric

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Just my hunch, but I'm guessing stuff like AAU status matters a whole lot less than it used to - simply because there aren't as many schools to choose from any longer (thanks to consolidation), and it's pretty nakedly dollars and cents driving the bus here and the pretense of any of this being driven by academics is done.

We'll see.
The reason it matters for the Big 10 is because they can be choosy. AAU status will always be a big deal for the Big 10. It's a big part of the prestige.
 

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What would "newly constituted" be that is significantly different than just joining the American?

Iowa State
OK State
KSU
Baylor
SMU
Houston
BYU
Cincy
Colorado State?
WVU?

Top teams from BYU/MWC/AAC join Big 12 remaining?

It's nuts that Big 12 stadiums have grown in quality by magnitudes across the board except for KU and somehow if worst case rumors are true KU football is the team that gets to stay in a major conference.
That’s a disaster of a league. Cost of travel and lack of revenue would kill us. Better to get into the pac 16 than that.
 

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What would "newly constituted" be that is significantly different than just joining the American?

Iowa State
OK State
KSU
Baylor
SMU
Houston
BYU
Cincy
Colorado State?
WVU?

Top teams from BYU/MWC/AAC join Big 12 remaining?

It's nuts that Big 12 stadiums have grown in quality by magnitudes across the board except for KU and somehow if worst case rumors are true KU football is the team that gets to stay in a major conference.
That looks terrible.
 
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Take a breath and read a various posts on how the reason TVyou're having a hissy fit (markets and eyeballs and footprint OH MY!) has no value like it did just a few years ago. Cable subscriptions are down 20M alone in recent years and will only get worse. ISU is also an AAU school. Nebraska is the only non-AAU school in the league and many are thinking that was the worst decision ever, so it won't happen again. Which leaves schools like ISU and KU, both AAU schools.
If you'd read my post, you'd see TV markets was only a portion of the reasoning. Yes, ISU is a large school with good academics and a good geographic fit. But I don't think there's any denying the fact that we are historically a bad team in both football and basketball (more so in football historically). Other schools have more name recognition, Heisman winners, etc. I'd love to see us in the Big Ten, but I think the odds of that happening are approaching 0%.
 

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That’s a disaster of a league. Cost of travel and lack of revenue would kill us. Better to get into the pac 16 than that.

I didn't post it because I like it. I posted it because I think if the league gets raided and ISU is not in the Big Ten that's what we'd be looking at.

Gigantic Pac/Big 12 merger that includes Texas/OU could save us.

As much as I'd love it living in LA, Iowa State and KSU are never going to be in UCLA's conference unless Texas is part of the deal.
 
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they might not be the packaged deal you think they are...The B1G loves AAU members...KU is and K-State is not...and do you think KU would say "oh no, poor K-State has the possibility of getting relegated to a non P5, while KU goes to the B1G"? Absolutely not...they would not look back
Maybe…I’m sure KU cares about KState about as much as we care about the hawks. Perhaps their legislature moves to make them a package deal like OK did.
I’m not even going to pretend I know what’s ahead- there’s probably only 5 or 6 people who know for sure what’s coming.