Yeah, with the size of the receivers we have, outside of blocking, I don't really know what kind of advantage a TE would be over Butler in the slot.
Where are the TE's????
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Yeah, with the size of the receivers we have, outside of blocking, I don't really know what kind of advantage a TE would be over Butler in the slot.
Wow. Ohio State swallowed the hook on that one. You could tell they were clueless throughout. Baker Mayfield, since being referred to as the next Johnny Manzel, kept the ball hidden with his shoulders slumped. Simultaneously, the blocking back, Flowers, position blocked the DE, who, like the LBs, were completely focused on RB Sermon. When Flowers slid off, he remained completely unnoticed. Again, simultaneously, Mayfield, in one motion, raised up and hit Flowers on the run 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage. At full speed, it actually looks like a jump pass, but he never left his feet - no wasted motion whatsoever. Definitely play calling genius, but I assume a lot of things happened to set it up. For instance the DBs are all protecting the deep routes, and Sermon, up to that point, probably proved to be more formidable than anticipated.
So, if ISU tried this, the receivers who definitely take the DBs out of range. Montgomery is the best out of the backfield, but being the most fearsome RB, he would have to execute the fake. Otherwise, the LBs would not bite. So who would be the blocking back? If you want max YAC, it would need to be Mike Warren. But for the play to even work, you have to sell the whiff. So maybe it would need to be Sam Seonbuchner. But if he is too "hands of stone" to pull that off, a TE might be ideal in this hybrid role. Otherwise, it seems ISU rarely lines up with 2 RBs, and it would tend to alert the defense that something is up.
I also think this play works better if your QB is a threat to run as well. You'll see KSU do a similar thing. On that slow play where the QB almost always runs after waiting a few secs for the blocks to develop, sometimes they'll throw a jump pass over the middle on it after they've sucked all the defenders up to stop that QB run.
While I'm in the camp of we are already scoring 40 a game, we are fine for the moment, just because we have big receivers doesn't mean that there isn't an advantage to having the defense have to worry about TE's getting the ball instead of just blocking. The more options you use from time to time, the more the defense has to include in their calculations and the more they have to think rather than just react.
Another way to think about is who is the defense keying on? The defense had a huge advantage Saturday because they could regularly key on Ball. When they took him out of the game Akron didn't have many answers. If they are keying on Montgomery on likely running downs a play action pass behind the LBs who are coming forward for run support can slow down those LBs on future downs. Just like a screen pass can slow down a pass rush.
Another way to think about is who is the defense keying on? The defense had a huge advantage Saturday because they could regularly key on Ball. When they took him out of the game Akron didn't have many answers. If they are keying on Montgomery on likely running downs a play action pass behind the LBs who are coming forward for run support can slow down those LBs on future downs. Just like a screen pass can slow down a pass rush.
I think the TE should come into ISU's offensive package for the red zone.
It seems we struggle once the field gets shortened. And a TE can break up a defenses ability to just stack the line.
It seems we struggle once the field gets shortened. And a TE can break up a defenses ability to just stack the line.
Allen and Soehner are freshman playing with a bunch of good WR's. Their numbers will come eventually, but this shouldn't be a surprise.
I thought I saw a stat during the Akron game that we've scored touchdowns 77% of the time inside the red zone and field goals on the other drives, with only one miss? I thought thT seemed pretty good?
Watching the Texas-USC game I thought we should be able to use the tight ends when Texas blitzes. Seemed Texas likes to blitz. Expecting to see the TE threat emerge with 5 big catches against Texas.
Best Offense in school history and people are ******** about the TE not being used. I think Park passed to 7 different players on Sat, and probably has passed to more than 10 on the season. This isn't 1985 or Iowa, you don't need to use the TE as much in todays game.
I think at some point this season we'll see Allen have a big game catching the ball but for now let the kid get his feet wet some and when the match up is right he'll get his chance. We've scored 40+ in 3 straight games now without targeting the TE much, there will be games this year where our deep routes are covered well and the TE is left open so I'm not too worried about the lack of targets right now. There are going to be games where Montgomery and Warren run wild too probably, the skill position depth is good on this team and when the coaching staff finds areas to exploit they will probably adjust the play calling accordingly.
I thought it was 7 players with catches Saturday. Of course that could also mean only 7 were targetted as well, but generally that targetted number is bigger than the caught number.
Passing downs we go 4 wide, plus Montgomery has been pretty big in the check-down out of the backfield. Honestly they are doing a great job blocking... There will be plenty of plays to be made for all position groups as we push into the conference season....
I'm not doubting the ISU coaches, but we did hear a lot about our TE's over the last month or two. And our TE's have about as many receptions as I do . . .
Would you guys feel any better if we just called them WR t's instead of TE's. It doesn't matter as long as the offense is working.
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We can get the TE more catches next year when Lazard is gone and chase Allen has more size/experience. For now our main worry should be run blocking
I think it actually has something to do with having arguably the two most gifted WRs we've ever had on the same roster. Coincidentally, they are both built like TEs but move better and aren't freshmen.
