I remember fans hating on Tom Herman and celebrating when he left for OSU acting like it was a good thing and we would find an upgrade. Our offense then got worse after he left.
When does Manning become a liability?
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Campbell won’t replace anyone. He’s probably taking them all with him to his next job.
Actually it really didn’t. We scored about the same under Messingham as Herman. Neither was good at ISU.
When I see an OC who plays fast, runs a lot of play action, especially on first downs, and schemes guys open even occasionally, I'll be quiet.
There's so much being left on the table by Manning. Just because it's also been left there by Messingham and Mangino doesn't mean it's not there.
I'm of the belief that the defense was a bigger contributor to today's loss, but this is a specific offensive gripe I would agree with. And I think the effect this has is that our passing offense often has the feel of being played in a phone booth. I've always felt a big reason was the route combinations not effectively using the space in front of them. Too easy to defend tightly.
Look at when and how we scored those points. Look at how many times we’ve been in a situation of desperation and scored points. Why can’t Manning see we are better with no huddle and dictating the pace? How many times have we had to call a time out because the play came in late or we substituted to late?
He is trying to push his system over the talent we have. If you want a pocket passer recruit him. Don’t make Brock a pocket passer, he’s always been best on the move and hurry situations.
::defense gives up 41 points:
CF posters: “guys, clearly Manning needs to go!”
CF posters: “guys, clearly Manning needs to go!”
Has been for at least a year. Last year the team more consistently overcame it. This year the defense is only way above average instead of consistently dominant. Today they weren't good, but the offense again couldn't get anything going unless and until they were forced to go with a little more tempo and get away from force-feeding Breece carries inside the tackles. Manning has been and is lacking creativity, especially early in games.
I knew he was a total joke after the Big 12 championship last year. Biggest game in school history and the dude couldn't even get the final play called in time. We came within 1 second of getting a false start and then Brock was all scrambling around and made a stupid decision.
Heacock has led ISU defenses to be a great unit over the past few years, and even after today will be one of the best units in the conference. Today was bad.
Manning consistently is slow to adjust in game and was absolutely a part of why the team lost today. He has nowhere near as much to fall back on as Heacock.
You realize if the offense doesn’t move the ball and the D is put back on the field right away, it’s more likely they are tired and give up points? I’m not trying to excuse the D, but help ****, we have an all American running back, a 4 year QB and an experienced OLine. We shouldn’t be putting our D in these situations throughout the game. The D played bad, but 14 points against TTU first half is fireable in itself.
I dont think they are checked out. I think maybe they let some ego creep in, and maybe got a little too set in their ways. And that is human nature. Not a criticism. They are young guys, mistakes are going to be made.
I worry Tom just has a ceiling and this is it. While being overly conservative, he doesn’t have the real creative streak that good OC’s need. My observation is he keeps having the same problems, particularly they clock management issues is glaring and a constant issue. I don’t see constant improvement in anything we do. One poster commented on slow developing routes, and I think that is right. We end up playing in offense in about a 10 yard square box. Tech, or any good offense, uses the whole field now, we don’t.
the other thing is, sure defense has had issues here, but constantly one side of the ball is not ready to play in the first half, and it is offense. I can’t remember the last new wrinkle we saw, a new formation, or a new play out of an old formation we show a lot. I guess you could say Xavier throwing the ball, but that’s just a trick play, it isn’t a new thing you have to really prepare for.
and Manning has had the best offenses this school has ever had.
I just find it funny. Defensive coaches have always been untouchable for ISU fans. It was the same way with Wally Burnham. DCs can never do wrong in ISU fan eyes, so therefore every problem is always the OC’s fault no matter what.
ISU's last offensive series wasn't that but pretty similar.
Struggling to get plays communicated is something you work on in an August scrimmage.
14 points, 7 off of an interception in great field position and another with a big penalty on Tech. The offense was not good until the end of the third when there was no choice but to stop running Breece into brick walls on every first and at least some second downs.
