What to do with Coach Prohm Poll..
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One thing that Prohm and Hoiberg didn’t seem to do much or at all is really get on guys during the game. A missed blockout, bad shot, awful defense...just let them play. Not saying you have to yell for yelling sakes...but you watch Fennelly, Beard, Huggins, Self...there is clear accountability during games. Would you rather have a coach like that?
So maybe I'm nitpicking and I know many will feel otherwise, but I believe the adjustment WAS made. You might assert it wasn't soon enough, but Burton was turned loose.
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That would be my assertion. What were we down, 20?
And that was just one example. There are others.
ME TOO clone4life82...I just couldn't take anymore of this basketball ineptness.
The discussion was in regards to mid major coaches being hired at the power conference level.
I'm bored so I'll take a run at mid-major hires in the last few years:
Nate Oats (Buffalo to Alabama)-- Has Alabama in the Top 10, seems to be a great hire.
John Brannen (Northern Kentucky to CIncy)-- So-so last year, very bad this year.
Mike Young (Wofford to Va Tech)-- .500 last year, 10-2 and ranked currenty.
Kyle Smith (San Francisco to Wash State)-- .500 last year, bad this year, but it's Wazzu so he always had a tough hill to climb.
Dan Hurley (Rhode Island to UConn)-- Seems to always hover around .500. Not done a terrible job but not a great one
Archie Miller (Dayton to Indiana)-- Given Indiana's history and resources this one would likely be characterized as a disappointment.
Kevin Keatts (UNC Wilmington to NC State)-- Started off ok but has gotten progressively worse. Probably on the hot seat after this year.
Will Wade (VCU to LSU)-- Has had some success, but not without scandal.
Chris Beard-- Success goes without saying
Mike White (La Tech to Florida)-- Has had some good years and disappointing ones. Hard to really go either way on him.
So based on just these I'd say 2-3 were homeruns, the majority have been so-so, and there's been a few duds.
I pay more attention to the school a prospective coach comes from. For example, if a coach comes from a mid-major that didn't have historical or consistent winning tradition, but that coach turned the program into a winner or conference champ, especially if they do this at multiple schools, the chances of them winning at a higher level are much greater (Chris Beard and so far DeVries at Drake). I put less stock in a coach that comes from a program that consistently wins regardless of who has been the coach there.
Not sure your job, but if the company you were to work for doesn't meet profit targets, are you willing to take a pay cut? If a teacher and your students don't meet academic standards, would you be willing to take a pay cut or quit due to poor performance.
What Anderson did is exemplary and admirable. But to say another coach not doing so lacks integrity is false.
Unlike many people coaches have employment contacts with their employers. Both sides mutually agreed to the terms, so to give back what was agreed to doesn't indicate a lack of integrity.
I wasn't trying to insinuate that it would be a lack of integrity. I was just making an observation that Prohm, as a man who I consider to have high integrity, could do something like this. Is it expected? No, of course not. By the terms of his contract that both parties signed, he is owed the money and should be paid. In a round a bout way, all I was trying to say was that I can see Prohm doing something similar to Anderson, simply because he is a good person.
I'd love for Prohm to leave voluntarily, but on the flipside I wouldn't think any less of him for taking his full buyout.
You missed two obvious "home runs" - Chris Mack at Louisville (from Xavier) and Brad Underwood at Illinois (from SFA after just one year at Okla State).
My point is that hiring a mid major coach being risky because of an inherent "hard adjustment" to the Big 12 is ridiculous. It all depends on the coach you hire, that's all.
I had thought about them but I guess I don't consider Xavier a mid-major as a Big East school and I left off Underwood because he came from Oklahoma State.
You mean his first two years, rebuilding the program after they fired John Groce? Then last year they were 4th in the Big Ten and this year they're 5-2?
I would imagine Illinois is kinda glad they hired him - don't you?
Point taken about Mack - Underwood was only at OSU one year. So I'd imagine Illinois was taking his time at Stephen F. Austin and Daytona Beach Community College heavily into account.
BTW - it didn't deter Okla State from hiring him either.
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Among coaches considered on short list when Hoiberg split, Underwood was my choice. No one can say how he would've done if he went to ISU, but guessing he could've gotten better momentum going after 2 years of ISU's transitional roster.
Also I don't recall if that was ever serious possibility, for either ISU or him.
Oklahoma State got him for somewhere close to $1M. (I think he's at $3M-ish at Illinois(?)).
CycloneErik
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Oughta be. Two years of rebuilding, then started the winning. That's pretty good.
Agreed. At the end of the day, its about what makes you happy. If Prohm wakes up every day thinking about ways to make more money, then absolutely take the buyout. If the pressures of the job are causing stress and exponential aging, then quit. Neither of these would make him a good or bad person, IMO. A deals a deal. I lean towards thinking Prohm is going to want to walk away rather than be told to walk away.
