What is our offense

madguy30

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Couldn't agree more. I just can't imagine what thought goes into an outright refusal to try and run the ball.

I also agree Purdy was given pretty direct instructions not to run. It looked like UNI all over again. There were multiple plays where he could have walked for a first down and just wouldn't tuck it and go.

And with every week being different, you still have to look at how Purdy was out running a bit vs. TCU and acknowledge how it effected every other part of the offense.
 

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I so want to disagree with this but everything you posted is actually true.

Dunno whats so hard about figuring out our offense, here is a summary:
Run - success
Throw - Success
Run - Success
Run-Success
Throw - Success
Throw - Fail
Throw - Fail
Throw - Fail
Throw - Fail
Throw - Fail
Throw - Fail
Throw - Fail
Run-Success
Throw - Success
Field Goal - Fail
Throw - Fail
Throw - Fail
Throw - Fail
Throw - Fail
Throw - Fail
Throw - Fail
Throw - Fail
Throw - Everyone beat their heads against the wall for abandoning the run.
 

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We threw 40 passes in the first half!!!!! We shouldn't even be throwing 40 passes in an entire game. We never gave the running game a chance even though we have a RB who has been on fire the prior 2 games. Oh and by the way when we did give the ball to Hall positive plays happened.

I thought the Baylor offensive game plan was bad but the Okie State offensive game plan was one of the worst I've ever seen. Played right into their hands.

A hot RB against one of the WORST run defenses in the country and we threw 62 f-ing passes.

I still pissed about this game plan. When we started the game going 3 and out, throwing 3 straight passes I got a bad feeling.

There are times to get cute and there are times to just take care of business and Manning needs to figure it out because he tries to be cute way to often.

I'd have to go back and watch....it was in the 4th quarter at some point. ISU lines up like normal, then all of the sudden there's a shift, and Hall goes out wide. Snap of the ball ISU's tackles took further steps back then normal and looked like they created wider splits for some sort of special package type thing. The play got screwed up, iirc Purdy had to run around a bunch and ended up passing 15 yards back to the line of scrimmage.

This was after ISU had been getting downfield with relative ease and you could feel the pointless high risk waste of a down play coming and there it was.
 
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I'm not exactly sure what you mean

From my vantage point, in the UNI game it looked like he was trying to have the team prove that “we don’t need BP to run to win and if we lose I can use that to motivate and prove points about my coaching”

in the Iowa game it’s “we’re going to beat Iowa at their own game or we aren’t going to win”

In the OSU game its “we can track meet with you and if we don’t we’re okay losing the game trying”
 

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From my vantage point, in the UNI game it looked like he was trying to have the team prove that “we don’t need BP to run to win and if we lose I can use that to motivate and prove points about my coaching”

in the Iowa game it’s “we’re going to beat Iowa at their own game or we aren’t going to win”

In the OSU game its “we can track meet with you and if we don’t we’re okay losing the game trying”

Oh I get it now. Yes that would get old if that is what is happening.
 

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Football's a simple game and our offensive staff makes it complex. TCU comes to mind as a team that runs something until you prove you can stop it. That can be three plays in a row with the same action. If the defense can't stop it, the defense can't stop it. If the defense figures out how to stop it, you run something to counter the defensive shift. It feels like our staff almost tries to counter itself instead of making defenses prove things. It was headscratching that we threw the ball when it was plain to see that a standard 50-50 mix, maybe even more skewed towards running, would do just fine.
 

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Football's a simple game and our offensive staff makes it complex. TCU comes to mind as a team that runs something until you prove you can stop it. That can be three plays in a row with the same action. If the defense can't stop it, the defense can't stop it. If the defense figures out how to stop it, you run something to counter the defensive shift. It feels like our staff almost tries to counter itself instead of making defenses prove things. It was headscratching that we threw the ball when it was plain to see that a standard 50-50 mix, maybe even more skewed towards running, would do just fine.

KSU is a master at this as well.

Do what you do well, and keep doing it.

RE: ISU countering itself...it seems like they run the counter play before the defense has even done anything.

These have been frustrating losses.
 
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Seriously. This is the best offense ISU has had in living memory. Its amazing how quickly everyone loses perspective.

That is probaby true, but people do have a right to complain about throwing it 63 times against OSU when they had shown no ability at stopping the run. That is a legitimate complaint.
 

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That is probaby true, but people do have a right to complain about throwing it 63 times against OSU when they had shown no ability at stopping the run. That is a legitimate complaint.
Unless you consider that we wouldn’t have thrown it 63 times against OSU if Brock hadn’t thrown the pick-six when he did. For that matter, had we scored on that drive, most every offensive play after that likely would have been a running play.

Brock had an off game. If he hadn’t, we also probably would have been up much earlier—pretty sure I recall at least twice that he missed wide open receivers for scores in the first half—and we then run the ball a lot more.

Not letting OSU score three long touchdowns is also a recipe for not throwing it 63 times.

Some of you folks act like we threw the ball 63 times just for the hell of it. That’s not why it happened.
 

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Unless you consider that we wouldn’t have thrown it 63 times against OSU if Brock hadn’t thrown the pick-six when he did. For that matter, had we scored on that drive, most every offensive play after that likely would have been a running play.

Brock had an off game. If he hadn’t, we also probably would have been up much earlier—pretty sure I recall at least twice that he missed wide open receivers for scores in the first half—and we then run the ball a lot more.

Not letting OSU score three long touchdowns is also a recipe for not throwing it 63 times.

Some of you folks act like we threw the ball 63 times just for the hell of it. That’s not why it happened.

Ummmm...what? The pick 6 was the 55th pass attempt of the game.
 

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Unless you consider that we wouldn’t have thrown it 63 times against OSU if Brock hadn’t thrown the pick-six when he did. For that matter, had we scored on that drive, most every offensive play after that likely would have been a running play.

Brock had an off game. If he hadn’t, we also probably would have been up much earlier—pretty sure I recall at least twice that he missed wide open receivers for scores in the first half—and we then run the ball a lot more.

Not letting OSU score three long touchdowns is also a recipe for not throwing it 63 times.

Some of you folks act like we threw the ball 63 times just for the hell of it. That’s not why it happened.

probably should realize who you’re addressing with this post.
 

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I didn't read threw all the comments but look at how our 1st half has been in these losses. Conservative on defense and unable to finish our drives. It's like when We get rythm we decide to change the rythm to what we want it to be instead of what's given to us. Its painfull to what us match 45 yards in 2 or 3 minutes then stall the drive out because we want the last 30 yards to take 5 minutes