Westworld

[srjclone]

I have a bad feeling this show is starting to auger in. Was looking to rock it a few weeks back with the old man and his "fidelity" scenes. This last episode was a total mess, even worse than the Shogun episode eaters. Not even the acting was good (shocking). Looks like we are off on another distracting side plot storyline again next week. Tedious. I am having a lot more "don't care" reactions to the questions that I am guessing are supposed to have me riveted to the screen.

I agree the acting wasn't the best in this past episode, and Shogun world was a huge tangent, but I think the things they have laid our for us can cause for a really interesting ending. I'm not givin up just yet.

 

[bstegs]

I thought this week's episode was really good. There was finally some action that may have consequences, although I am beginning to wonder how the MIB can get shot so much and live. All of the injuries could be for nothing and just be glossed over by the next episode, but I hope they lead to something.

 

[srjclone]

I thought this week's episode was really good. There was finally some action that may have consequences, although I am beginning to wonder how the MIB can get shot so much and live. All of the injuries could be for nothing and just be glossed over by the next episode, but I hope they lead to something.

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Idk if they will gloss over it. I think that the reason they showed him alive is because they wanted to show that he was in real bad shape, and probably on the brink of dying, but there is still a chance for him.

My guess, is that his daughter finds him passed out from losing blood and helps nurse him back to health.

 

[RonBurgundy]

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Idk if they will gloss over it. I think that the reason they showed him alive is because they wanted to show that he was in real bad shape, and probably on the brink of dying, but there is still a chance for him.

My guess, is that his daughter finds him passed out from losing blood and helps nurse him back to health.

Yea, that is a good guess that his daughter will help him. About nobody else left.

I still like the show because it is entertaining. I see the reviews for last show were really good, but I guess I am in the minority. Very frustrating to bring Sir AH back and just get a bunch of riddles. I am hard pressed to see how they bring this together in a coherent fashion, but maybe they will surprise. I don't get the Maeve storyline at all.

 

[srjclone]

Yea, that is a good guess that his daughter will help him. About nobody else left.

I still like the show because it is entertaining. I see the reviews for last show were really good, but I guess I am in the minority. Very frustrating to bring Sir AH back and just get a bunch of riddles. I am hard pressed to see how they bring this together in a coherent fashion, but maybe they will surprise. I don't get the Maeve storyline at all.

Yeah that is fair. I think the Maeve storyline is the storyline of all storylines in this show, or at least have started to think this recently. I think that Maeve has broken the "riddle", and that is why she is able to do what she can.

The reason I think this, is because of the scene where she was having flashbacks to the man in black coming into her home and killing her and her daughter. Not only that, but the biggest part, for me, was William saying "You? Noo, Ford is getting too lazy. It can't be you."

What is he talking about there? Is he looking for a specific host to "Beat the game" is the valley beyond a state of mind/freedom of thought, rather than an actual physical place? All these things have been muddied with this last episode, but makes me think it is more likely.

Lastly, I think AH feels he is in full control and his plan is all coming together perfectly, but Bernard is going to "Break Free" and kill him/his conscious.

 

[3GenClone]

Yea, that is a good guess that his daughter will help him. About nobody else left.

I still like the show because it is entertaining. I see the reviews for last show were really good, but I guess I am in the minority. Very frustrating to bring Sir AH back and just get a bunch of riddles. I am hard pressed to see how they bring this together in a coherent fashion, but maybe they will surprise. I don't get the Maeve storyline at all.

I'm assuming we're going to get a reveal that

Spoiler

Charlotte Hale is Maeve's daughter. I'm thinking that Maeve's daughter was the first of the "test" hosts in the park based on a real person. Either that or Maeve actually raised the real Charlotte Hale. That is why Maeve "raised" her away from Sweetwater - to give it a more controlled environment. That would really help drive home the maternal instinct of Maeve if she actually raised Charlotte - real or not.

 

[3GenClone]

The reason I think this, is because of the scene where she was having flashbacks to the man in black coming into her home and killing her and her daughter.

I think this is a trick. Notice that our two "protagonists" (Maeve and Dolores) both are recalling violent experiences with MIB which helped spurred on their independence. We saw MIB "turn" into a hero when he helped Lawrence's wife and daughter but that seems to be more in line from what a young William would have done. I'm wondering if MIB actually committed those acts against Maeve and Dolores or if their code was manipulated to make them think that he did.

 

[srjclone]

I think this is a trick. Notice that our two "protagonists" (Maeve and Dolores) both are recalling violent experiences with MIB which helped spurred on their independence. We saw MIB "turn" into a hero when he helped Lawrence's wife and daughter but that seems to be more in line from what a young William would have done. I'm wondering if MIB actually committed those acts against Maeve and Dolores or if their code was manipulated to make them think that he did.

That is an interesting twist, and I definitely could see that being a route they would go. I just think Maeve has way too many abilities, and is further along in her "game" than any other host, and there has to be something deeper to that. I find it hard to believe they would just give her that ability as a placeholder for a storyline, seems too significant. But that may just be me.

 

[3GenClone]

Last nights episode was light on action, but full of emotion. Some great acting performances, and another gut-wrenching piano rendition, this time of Heart-Shaped Box.

 

[srjclone]

Last nights episode was light on action, but full of emotion. Some great acting performances, and another gut-wrenching piano rendition, this time of Heart-Shaped Box.

At first, I was really reserved on this episode and thought it was a bit of a bore. But about 20 minutes in I saw what the showrunners reasoning for this episode was, and boy was it a big bit of information they gave us. You had to know that Akecheta was a bigger piece to this puzzle due to him being one of the Alpha hosts that lured Logan in, and we have seen him throughout the show in different roles/timelines, but I was not seeing him being this deep. Really liked the route they took with this character/storyline, and am curious as to how he will play a role in the greater "game"

 

[BoxsterCy]

Last nights episode was light on action, but full of emotion. Some great acting performances, and another gut-wrenching piano rendition, this time of Heart-Shaped Box.

Agree. I had super low expectations and wasn't keen on spending a hour with the Indians of Westworld but I was pleasantly surprised. Really found it to be pretty interesting. And agree, the acting was quite good, had to Google who the actor was because he was so good.

No closer to understanding all that is happening but I was entertained.

 

[srjclone]

Agree. I had super low expectations and wasn't keen on spending a hour with the Indians of Westworld but I was pleasantly surprised. Really found it to be pretty interesting. And agree, the acting was quite good, had to Google who the actor was because he was so good.

No closer to understanding all that is happening but I was entertained.

really, it adds more confusion haha. We spent this whole time assuming Ford or Arnold placed this maze in the heads of the hosts, but in actuality it was Akecheta feeding this information to the hosts who were ready to learn it. This "finding their innerself" was never meant to happen, but Ford used it towards his overall plan all the same.

 

[3GenClone]

The writers do not get enough credit for what they accomplished last night. Using Aketcheta to tell this story was a stroke of genius. At no point in his story would you, as a listener think that this was set in a "modern" setting. He makes no mention of technology, only we as viewers know where the hosts are being taken while Aketcheta continues to learn and explore. He even goes so far as to create and perfect a ritual (drawing/carving the symbol) in the same tradition as his real-life ancestors would have.

My MiB not being all-bad theory goes out the window, as it was confirmed by Aketcheta that he witnessed MiB kill Maeve back in S1. At least now we know where the symbol in the sand came from back when she was shot. Looks like next week we will get a thorough backstory on the MiB.

 

[srjclone]

The writers do not get enough credit for what they accomplished last night. Using Aketcheta to tell this story was a stroke of genius. At no point in his story would you, as a listener think that this was set in a "modern" setting. He makes no mention of technology, only we as viewers know where the hosts are being taken while Aketcheta continues to learn and explore. He even goes so far as to create and perfect a ritual (drawing/carving the symbol) in the same tradition as his real-life ancestors would have.

My MiB not being all-bad theory goes out the window, as it was confirmed by Aketcheta that he witnessed MiB kill Maeve back in S1. At least now we know where the symbol in the sand came from back when she was shot. Looks like next week we will get a thorough backstory on the MiB.

I wasn't so keen on the single thread storylines in these episodes (Samurai World, Akecheta, and now William) but with how they did Akecheta, I am now very excited.

 

[Dandy]

I'm assuming we're going to get a reveal that

Spoiler

Charlotte Hale is Maeve's daughter. I'm thinking that Maeve's daughter was the first of the "test" hosts in the park based on a real person. Either that or Maeve actually raised the real Charlotte Hale. That is why Maeve "raised" her away from Sweetwater - to give it a more controlled environment. That would really help drive home the maternal instinct of Maeve if she actually raised Charlotte - real or not.

I think Charlotte is Arnold's daughter. Ford gave Bernard the memory of Charlie the little boy but it's really Charlotte his daughter.

 

[srjclone]

I think Charlotte is Arnold's daughter. Ford gave Bernard the memory of Charlie the little boy but it's really Charlotte his daughter.

How would Charlotte not recognize that there is a clone of her father, though? Last weeks episode where they discover all of his previous test bodies, you think she'd say something, no?

I guess it isn't that out of the realm of possibility, but the way she has acted around Arnold made me think that there is no connection there.

 

[WalkingCY]

I too thought this was going to be some random "filler" episode. But, it was awesome.

The episode was super poetic, one of my favorites of the season. It explained a lot of things too (or screwed with me more). Really, the last two episodes have been boss.

Very well written and acted.

Also, Ford out there just scalping peeps? With a monster of a bear attack scene just frozen. Weird.

 

[srjclone]

Also, Ford out there just scalping peeps? With a monster of a bear attack scene just frozen. Weird.

I wanted to ask all of your opinions on that, but forgot tbh. Do we think he was making modifications to the hosts for his plan with Delores? Was he scalping them to see how many of them had the symbol? What could have been the purpose of him being there/doing that, other than maybe purposely to run in to Akecheta and tell him about the "DeathBringer's Return"?

 

[WalkingCY]

I wanted to ask all of your opinions on that, but forgot tbh. Do we think he was making modifications to the hosts for his plan with Delores? Was he scalping them to see how many of them had the symbol? What could have been the purpose of him being there/doing that, other than maybe purposely to run in to Akecheta and tell him about the "DeathBringer's Return"?

My gut says that Ford was there just to observe Ake and see that he really was "awoken."

So, here's what we know: Dolores, Maeve and Ake have been "awaken." So, Maeve's and Ake's actions recently are due to loving someone else. "When you've been in the dark long enough you start to see" etc. Dolores is PISSED. She is vengeful. She doesn't seem nearly as human as Maeve (loves her daughter) and Ake (loves his wife). Heck, even Teddy seems more human than she does.

Ake has come out of nowhere much like Desmond in LOST and is now a very key character going forward. That's why this latest episode was so cool IMO.

Did Ford plan on her being this way? Or is she Bernard's wildcard in this whole story?

 

[srjclone]

My gut says that Ford was there just to observe Ake and see that he really was "awoken."

So, here's what we know: Dolores, Maeve and Ake have been "awaken." So, Maeve's and Ake's actions recently are due to loving someone else. "When you've been in the dark long enough you start to see" etc. Dolores is PISSED. She is vengeful. She doesn't seem nearly as human as Maeve (loves her daughter) and Ake (loves his wife). Heck, even Teddy seems more human than she does.

Ake has come out of nowhere much like Desmond in LOST and is now a very key character going forward. That's why this latest episode was so cool IMO.

Did Ford plan on her being this way? Or is she Bernard's wildcard in this whole story?

If I had to guess, she is the wildcard to this whole thing. I think Maeve and Delores are Fords doing, where as Delores is Arnolds. What that means, I don't know.

I agree that Ake and Maeve are more human, and that makes them more serious about finding the escape from this world. Where as Delores, she wants to take over this world, and the other world. I think it says something about Ake and Maeve that they both figured out the key to "Awkening" is by actually killing yourself. Maeve did it because she had a hunch that it was her way out, Ake did it because he had no other path to take in finding his love. How come Delores hasn't made this discovery yet? Or has she, and we just haven't seen it?

Lots to tie up here in the final 2 episodes, and I have a feeling we are only going to get more twists and turns with Williams background next week.