We are seeing Prohm evolution

[rochclone]

And like Rhoads, Fred never sniffed a conference title.

I don't ever remember Rhoads having a winning conference record or finishing a single game back of the regular season champ.

 

[rochclone]

No, no he has not. But it comes with the territory, where some fans are quick to criticize, and slow to praise.

The fact dude has 20% of wins over top 3 teams in ISU history pretty much says he is a pretty good coach and I think for the most part most people feel he has done a solid job. Only a small group of fans who, for some reason, thought this team was going to finish first even though it graduated its entire front line. Not sure where that came from.

Last time I checked they were picked to finish 4th in the preseason poll, as we stand today we sit tied for 3rd.

So yes I would say that Prohm has not earned most the criticism he has gotten.

As I stated a few weeks ago I think losing at home (under any circumstances) is a difficult thing for our fansbase (including me) to accept. There is no doubt that Steve Prohm is a good man. A caring and compassionate man. Those are qualities that we should seek in every leader of young man. But as he stated yesterday coaching is a tough profession.

It will always be my opinion that we underachieved last year. 10-8 in the conference and first round bounce from the Big 12. I acknowledge that we got to the Sweet 16 but I also think that the context of that journey is important as well. Do I think it was a massive underachievement? Absolutely not. If we had gotten two more wins in the conference and went to the Elite 8 then I would have called it a great achievement.

I think this team has the talent to finish 10-8 to 11-7 in the conference and be a fringe Top 25 (top 6 seed). I think those goals are still very attainable. Next year will be fun because there will be no expectations and we will learn more about CSP's style of play.

Great recruiting class next year is certainly a strength while game management, time out use, and substitution are a struggle from time to time.

A lot can change for a team in February and this was a great win. However, as much as the win over Kansas validates the "Prohm" fans it also validates the other side regarding the talent that we have on this team. The truth is likely somewhere in the middle. In reality...we are all Prohm supporters. No one wants to see him fail because it means Iowa State will fail.

 

[fsanford]

20%? Doesn't he have 2 out of the 3 or something?

There have been 10 times in the history of ISU hoops where they have beaten a team ranked 3rd or higher. Prohm has 2 of those 20%, now if you consider ISU hoops has been around for 100+ year for a guy to have 2 of those wins 2 years on the job that is a pretty impressive accomplishment.


Edit: sorry did not see your correction Erik, well its still a pretty amazing accomplishement'

 

[jpete24]

My opinion is that Prohm is learning, but he's also awful damned stubborn with what he thinks he already knows.

But for me, I had no illusions when he got here. He coached at Murray State - not exactly the big time - and he had two NBA point guards. Of course he was successful. That said, he was pretty wildly successful.

But now he's in the B12. He's coaching against major talent as well as Self, Huggins, etc... If he's going to sustain success here he's absolutely going to HAVE to pay attention and steal the best from others at this level - and above.

It drives me absolutely wild that he won't even consider two-for-one at the end of halves or that he doesn't run inbounds plays (at least not successfully). It is my impression that Self had the sense to see how successful Hoiberg was with the two-for-one and made it a much bigger part of his strategy. He's smart enough to steal success. And both Hoiberg and Self are masters of the inbounds plays. One of the great joys of watching Hoiberg coach was watching a big run the equivalent of a wheel route and come soaring in from the right baseline for an alley-oop slam. And it worked - repeatedly.

Those things steal points. Imagine our record the last two years if we had stolen two points a game. And I don't think that's overplaying it.

I have been very impressed with his recruiting. It's not stellar, but it's pretty damned good. I really appreciate his message of "win the day". It harkens to Campbell's "trust the process". Those are life lessons that will make the player and team better.

We'll see over the next few years how he adapts. If he sticks exclusively to his roots and pursues exclusively what he's learned from Kennedy - my expectations won't be that high. But if he shows he can adapt and learn I think he's got everything in front of him.

This summarizes my thoughts on Prohm exactly. I think if you boil down alot of the "Prohm Haters" you'll get this kind of response or similar. They just worry about the future of the team and whether he is going to make the right steps to evolve with the game and with the skill level he now has to coach. He's definitely on the right track though. Solid work Prohm, keep up the good work!

 

[CycloneBBFan]

It is a past participle, did u flunk middle school english.

Have you ever considered going to McDonald's and putting your head in the french fry machine? You know biggy size it? You could "learnt" from that.

 

[NATEizKING]

It is one game , ya a big win in very tough place, but please don't for one second think that prohm is going to win a big 12 title or coach in the elite 8. Prohm is not some newbie coach like Fred who learnt on the Job, he has experience and this is his best, which is not very good.

Todays win shows the potential this team has, which Prohm is not able to bring out consistently.
Let these close loses be reminder he is a terrible coach and this is his 11TH year coaching

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Should be banned a couple weeks for that many disagree/dislike.

 

[NATEizKING]

We're 6-4 in the best league in the country with 4 games against top 10 teams and have a top 25 class coming in. This Prohm guy is alright.

 

[el tornado]

It is one game , ya a big win in very tough place, but please don't for one second think that prohm is going to win a big 12 title or coach in the elite 8. Prohm is not some newbie coach like Fred who learnt on the Job, he has experience and this is his best, which is not very good.

Todays win shows the potential this team has, which Prohm is not able to bring out consistently.
Let these close loses be reminder he is a terrible coach and this is his 11TH year coaching

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You always want us to lose so you can barrage us with your hate for Prohm. You've been doing it for a while now.

 

[Bubbahotep]

Judging by the posts in this thread, we have Dean Smith, Roy Williams, John Wooden and Mike Krzyzewski on here. Amazing the amount of knowledge about coaching college basketball. We should just fire Prohm now and hire one of you geniuses.

 

[rholtgraves]

The biggest takeaway from this game is if they hit 18 threes they can beat anybody.

 

[cycloneworld]

Keep in mind that almost NONE of these guys, save Young and Jackson, are Prohm's guys. He had to learn how to change his style to fit those players.

Oh and we made a Sweet 16 last year, will almost certainly be back again this year, and are sitting in 3rd place in the best conference in college basketball right now.

JFC people are impossible to please.

 

[nfrine]

Man, I remember all these experts during Fred's first year saying he couldn't coach. Then, during his second, the success was only because he had Bobby Lutz as an assistant. And he clearly didn't know what he was doing because he didn't foul McKlemore before he could bank in a 3 to send that game in Lawrence into OT.

There are still folks in Chicago saying Fred can't coach....

 

[SpokaneCY]

I see no point in comparing the success of the two honestly.

My point is only that raw emotion takes you so far.

Raw emotion coached in a sweet 16 and inked one of the best classes in ISU history. Raw emotion won in AFH. Raw emotion sits players who don't follow rules Raw emotion lets the players have freedom until they've demonstrated a need for more leash. Raw emotion knows x and o, and has had consistent success. Raw emotion has a plan and is putting his plan in place with a completely unbalanced roster. I'm fine with raw emotion. Oh - has raw emotion drawn a technical yet? THAT would seem to scream raw emotion.

 

[SpokaneCY]

There are still folks in Chicago saying Fred can't coach....

Guys in his locker room say he's a lower tier assistant... Link somewhere on ESPN about that... Fred's GREAT with the locker room until the last 2 years but the fact we're tied for 3rd in the best league without major parts is CSP's fault.

 

[rholtgraves]

Guys in his locker room say he's a lower tier assistant... Link somewhere on ESPN about that... Fred's GREAT with the locker room until the last 2 years but the fact we're tied for 3rd in the best league without major parts is CSP's fault.

4th technically.

 

[NoCreativity]

As I stated a few weeks ago I think losing at home (under any circumstances) is a difficult thing for our fansbase (including me) to accept. There is no doubt that Steve Prohm is a good man. A caring and compassionate man. Those are qualities that we should seek in every leader of young man. But as he stated yesterday coaching is a tough profession.

It will always be my opinion that we underachieved last year. 10-8 in the conference and first round bounce from the Big 12. I acknowledge that we got to the Sweet 16 but I also think that the context of that journey is important as well. Do I think it was a massive underachievement? Absolutely not. If we had gotten two more wins in the conference and went to the Elite 8 then I would have called it a great achievement.

I think this team has the talent to finish 10-8 to 11-7 in the conference and be a fringe Top 25 (top 6 seed). I think those goals are still very attainable. Next year will be fun because there will be no expectations and we will learn more about CSP's style of play.

Great recruiting class next year is certainly a strength while game management, time out use, and substitution are a struggle from time to time.

A lot can change for a team in February and this was a great win. However, as much as the win over Kansas validates the "Prohm" fans it also validates the other side regarding the talent that we have on this team. The truth is likely somewhere in the middle. In reality...we are all Prohm supporters. No one wants to see him fail because it means Iowa State will fail.

I cant speak for everyone but I think alot of the frustration towards Prohm this year is a carry over from last year. With the amount of talent returning last year I thought we should have been contending with Kansas for a conference title.

We ended up in 6th place, 5 games behind the conference leader, lost 2 home games, went 1 and done in the Big 12 tourney, 12 total losses overall. Our Sweet 16 appearance was nice but we were non-competitive against Virginia and our 2 wins were against teams we were heavily favored to beat. If we would have lost to one of those teams it would have been UAB level bad.

Maybe I had too high of expectations, but when you have guys like Niang and Morris in their 3rd and 4th years I think we should have been held to a little higher standard than 10-8. I think the loss of Naz hurt more than people expected as it left our bench extremely thin.

I think this year we are right about where I expected. I thought we would still have enough pieces to make the tourney as a 7-10 seed and it everything holds it looks like thats where we will end up.

 

[Gunnerclone]

The biggest takeaway from this game is if they hit 18 threes they can beat anybody.

My biggest takeaway is that:

1) I've been right about Solomon Young all year
2) I was right that playing young and becoming a 3 chucking team would be our best path to the highest ceiling

 

[rholtgraves]

My biggest takeaway is that:

1) I've been right about Solomon Young all year
2) I was right that playing young and becoming a 3 chucking team would be our best path to the highest ceiling

I wouldn't go that far on Young.

 

[erikbj]

This week will be a big test for him. Two games that ISU will be favored to win - coming off that emotional weekend, lets see how the team responds.

If the Clones come out on fire (effort standpoint) - then he is doing his job to be a big time coach.

 

[fsanford]

(Warning this fan drops a lot of F bombs)

Wish I could say glad we do not have fans like this, but now not so sure

Is it me or do some people take sports waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to seriously....

Lastly I always thought the guy living in his mom's basement was kind of this urban myth, well clearly the myth is no longer, this has got to be one of the biggest losers I have ever seen.