unbelievable watch this

[Clark]

I assume, in your scenario, I represent the anonymous blowhard? Alright, the shoe probably fits on that one. That's a nice pull. I can't even be mad at that.

Oh we're all anonymous blowhards here, some just blow harder than others.

And you can take that in many ways:err:

 

[isu_oak]

As the son of a cop and teacher I have very strong opinions on how to deal with kids like this. But after reading what had been posted in this thread so far...

 

[Gunnerclone]

In what society did you grow up in did you learn that disrespecting your authorities was ok?

Western suburbs of DSM.

 

[isufbcurt]

Should have just shot her like a normal cop. With that attitude she was probably going to join ISIS in the next couple years anyway.

 

[Tailg8er]

Maybe you just wait a minute until her legs get tired and everyone has had a chance to cool off and then talk about it? Maybe you have everyone leave the room for a minute? Maybe this student isn't going to be acting like this when no one is around to see it. I get it, no one has any minutes to wait, everything must happen now or it's ruined. But then when you look back on it everyone in this situation is going to be like, "crap, this could have turned out differently with a little patience."

It's one of my main problems with law enforcement. No patience. They don't like it when they aren't on the front foot at all times. They aren't able to properly recover from not being on the front foot at all times and act out violently immediately. They aren't able to outsmart anyone, only out-intimadate them (sometimes lol).

Really? By all accounts this whole confrontation lasted longer than a minute. So how long do you wait, 5 minutes? 10? & really, you'd recommend having the entire classroom get up, leave the room, & wait doing nothing in the hallway every time a student doesn't listen?

Removing kids from classrooms might not have been a big issue in your western suburbs of DSM, but it can be a daily occurrence in other districts. Reallll effective learning environment if every time that happened the class loses a half hour.

 

[Mr Janny]

Really? By all accounts this whole confrontation lasted longer than a minute. So how long do you wait, 5 minutes? 10? & really, you'd recommend having the entire classroom get up, leave the room, & wait doing nothing in the hallway every time a student doesn't listen?

Removing kids from classrooms might not have been a big issue in your western suburbs of DSM, but it can be a daily occurrence in other districts. Reallll effective learning environment if every time that happened the class loses a half hour.

Yeah, if the kid is acting up to the point where the teacher feels the need to bring a police officer to the class, then yes, you get the other kids out of there, especially if force is a possibility. Can you imagine what would have happened if in the process of throwing her across the room, the officer would have injured another student? You diffuse the attention from the situation. Make it so none of her peers are there to see her acting defiant. That's a deescalation effort. If force is needed, it's used, but not to the degree that the officer displayed.

 

[HandSanitizer]

I say use China tactics. See how many law suits and brats we have then.

 

[AdamJGray]

Without knowing the entire story and seeing the entire video, this seems a bit extreme.

With that said, if my kids (I have 3) are ever disrupting class enough to cause the teacher to call for law enforcement (seriously think about how bad it would have to be to get to that point) and the officer gets there and my kid still won't get out of their chair, that officer would have my permission to rip them out of the chair in just about any manner they'd like.

I realize I think differently than a lot of people do these days though.

 

[HandSanitizer]

Not defending the officer here, but I want to also say this.


if an SRO needed to come in then she was being an idiot. But she will have a ton of time to edit her story and say how she was doing nothing wrong etc...
the SRO should have handled it differently. I am sure there is more to the story than the video says.



how about this:

I was just checking my phone because my grandma was in the hospital and my mom was texting me. The teacher was giving me grief for like 15 minutes and he called the Principal. The the Principal gave me grief and he called the SRO.


I find it hard to deal with these circumstances. and because of that my parents and I have decided to Sue the District for 15 million dollars and need to get on CNN/Fox News

 

[CYphyllis]

Without knowing the entire story and seeing the entire video, this seems a bit extreme.

With that said, if my kids (I have 3) are ever disrupting class enough to cause the teacher to call for law enforcement (seriously think about how bad it would have to be to get to that point) and the officer gets there and my kid still won't get out of their chair, that office would have my permission to rip them out of the chair in just about any manner they'd like.

I realize I think differently than a lot of people do these days though.

Seems fairly spot on. If the kid pushes the situation to that point, the cops actions are going to teach a much more important life lesson than anything the kid in question will learn from a text book that year.

Putting myself in her shoes at that age, I'm pretty sure what ever physical harm the officer delivered by ripping me from my chair like that would have paled in comparison to the beatdown the Old Man would have administered when I got home for a combination of acting like an entitled little **** and embarrassing the family with my actions.

 

[ISUCubswin]

Removing kids from a classroom doesn't do anything.

You remove a virus from a host, not a host from a virus

 

[Mr Janny]

Removing kids from a classroom doesn't do anything.

You remove a virus from a host, not a host from a virus

That's a pretty terrible analogy. How does one go about removing a virus from a host? Should the teacher have introduced another disruptive student in a weakened or dead state? But hey, if you want to stick with viruses... If you've got an infected host, the first thing you do is isolate them. Quarantine rules go into effect.

removing kids from the classroom absolutely does something. It takes away the audience, and it reduces the chances of collateral damage, if force is deemed necessary.

 

[Peter]

I think the very fact that people see that type of force applied and think "yeah, that looks about right" is the entire problem in a nut shell.

Yup, nailed it.

 

[Peter]

Without knowing the entire story and seeing the entire video, this seems a bit extreme.

With that said, if my kids (I have 3) are ever disrupting class enough to cause the teacher to call for law enforcement (seriously think about how bad it would have to be to get to that point) and the officer gets there and my kid still won't get out of their chair, that officer would have my permission to rip them out of the chair in just about any manner they'd like.

I realize I think differently than a lot of people do these days though.

Really? Unless a kid is physically threatening another person, that kind of action should NEVER be an option.

 

[cdnlngld]

Also, no one in the classroom is even paying attention to whats happening, so this kid was probably being a pile of **** to begin with.

.....or rather most of them are black and are keeping their heads down, as not to get involved.

 

[MartyMcCy]

That's a pretty terrible analogy. How does one go about removing a virus from a host? But hey, if you want to stick with viruses... If you've got an infected host, the first thing you do is isolate them. Quarantine rules go into effect.

removing kids from the classroom absolutely does something. It takes away the audience, and it reduces the chances of collateral damage, if force is deemed necessary.

You're right. You don't remove a virus from a host, you have to wait it out. But you can vaccinate for a virus. First have the the kids do small, non-damaging disruptions like whisper or chew gum. The teacher can then handle this disruption swiftly, raising their confidence level to handle troublesome viruses. When a major disruption occurs, the teacher can lay down the law and attack more efficiently.


Edit: I guess this is needed after all.

 

[Peter]

A fully grown and trained police officer throwing a teenage girl to the ground. Everyone on here seriously has no problem with this? WTF is wrong with society?

 

[Mr Janny]

Really? Unless a kid is physically threatening another person, that kind of action should NEVER be an option.

No kidding.

Robocop was supposed to be a satire, folks. ED-209 was a bad design. Failure to comply does not equal dead executive. It was bad programming. Also, it couldn't go down stairs, and for some reason sounded like a pig when it fell down.

 

[Peter]

You're right. You don't remove a virus from a host, you have to wait it out. But you can vaccinate for a virus. First have the the kids do small, non-damaging disruptions like whisper or chew gum. The teacher can then handle this disruption swiftly, raising their confidence level to handle troublesome viruses. When a major disruption happens, the teacher can lay down the law and attack more efficiently.

That fact that people are comparing kids to viruses at all just shows you how ****ed up our educational system is.

 

[SCNCY]

That's a pretty terrible analogy. How does one go about removing a virus from a host? Should the teacher have introduced another disruptive student in a weakened or dead state? But hey, if you want to stick with viruses... If you've got an infected host, the first thing you do is isolate them. Quarantine rules go into effect.

removing kids from the classroom absolutely does something. It takes away the audience, and it reduces the chances of collateral damage, if force is deemed necessary.

Correct quarantine rules do go in to effect. When you quarantine, you remove those who are sick/an issue to the general population. In this case the student was sick/the issue and therefore needed to be removed from the rest of the population.