unbelievable watch this

[ISUKyro]

After reading this thread I'm starting to come around on the idea of beating my kids like some say is necessary. I want my kids to respect me, and apparently roughing them up good will earn that respect. Can someone recommend a good brand of belt? If I make a wooden paddle should I use a 1x6 or a 1x4? The 1x6 was my first thought, but with 3 kids I'm wondering if that's too heavy to effectively beat them for extended periods. I don't want to get wore out.

The size is not that important for a paddle. Do be sure to drill holes in the paddle. This lets you cut through the air much quicker and allows skin to welt up into "Respect Bubbles".

 

[3TrueFans]

so it's ok for him to initiate physical contact that may escalate the situation further? What if she holds on to the desk?

It may be necessary for an officer to physically remove a student, I have no problem if that's the case. Color me skeptical that the best way to accomplish that with a student that doesn't appear to be acting violently is by slamming them back and then throwing them across the floor.

 

[ISUCubswin]

It may be necessary for an officer to physically remove a student, I have no problem if that's the case. Color me skeptical that the best way to accomplish that with a student that doesn't appear to be acting violently is by slamming them back and then throwing them across the floor.

It would definitely be beneficial if there were more video.

 

[CyBri]

Thanks, but I was referring to your earlier assumption (in the first quote up above) that this kid has "worthless parents." Unless you actually know this girl's parents, I think it's dangerous to make that assumption just based on a video.

BTW, I completely agree about the necessity for consequences, for kids and for adults. And FWIW, I don't dismiss any bad behavior as "kids being kids." And a tip of my hat to you for working with juvenile delinquents and prison inmates.

That was more of a general statement about hearing these stories. If I had to guess (and this won't be popular) her parents are more than likely subpar parents or she comes from a broken family. A normal child even if they didn't agree with what was going on would leave the desk before police had to be involved. This little girl will probably have a life filled with these run ins with authority.

 

[Clark]

It may be necessary for an officer to physically remove a student, I have no problem if that's the case. Color me skeptical that the best way to accomplish that with a student that doesn't appear to be acting violently is by slamming them back and then throwing them across the floor.

that's the issue, the officer tried to remove her like you said but she locked her feet around the legs of the desk and was holding on with her hand while fighting him off with the other. I don't believe it's physically possible to remove someone like that without the desk getting tipped over. Once he decides to use physical force and she decided to fight it, it's not going to end pretty. So I believe the way to avoid that would be non physical confrontations.

Maybe it's possible to drag the desk into the hall?

 

[DiehardClone]

It would definitely be beneficial if there were more video.

And for your sake, ISUCubswin, let's hope that additional video will have a long segment showing the SRO indiscriminately tasering the worthless "pile of ****" (as you so eloquently put it), so neanderthals like you can really get your sickfest on.

 

[Mr Janny]

what should his procedure have been? I tried to lay out an alternate choice but nobody seemed to agree with me. maybe you'll have better luck.

a procedure short of throwing her across the room, you mean? There are plenty of methods of restraint/subdual that don't involve that level of force. Go ask someone who works on a behavioral health unit, where dealing with combative and disruptive people is a daily occurrence. Ask them how often they have to throw their patients across the room. Restraint and subdual does not have need to involve WWE level force.

 

[Gunnerclone]

that's the issue, the officer tried to remove her like you said but she locked her feet around the legs of the desk and was holding on with her hand while fighting him off with the other. I don't believe it's physically possible to remove someone like that without the desk getting tipped over. Once he decides to use physical force and she decided to fight it, it's not going to end pretty. So I believe the way to avoid that would be non physical confrontations.

Maybe it's possible to drag the desk into the hall?

Maybe you just wait a minute until her legs get tired and everyone has had a chance to cool off and then talk about it? Maybe you have everyone leave the room for a minute? Maybe this student isn't going to be acting like this when no one is around to see it. I get it, no one has any minutes to wait, everything must happen now or it's ruined. But then when you look back on it everyone in this situation is going to be like, "crap, this could have turned out differently with a little patience."

It's one of my main problems with law enforcement. No patience. They don't like it when they aren't on the front foot at all times. They aren't able to properly recover from not being on the front foot at all times and act out violently immediately. They aren't able to outsmart anyone, only out-intimadate them (sometimes lol).

 

[3TrueFans]

that's the issue, the officer tried to remove her like you said but she locked her feet around the legs of the desk and was holding on with her hand while fighting him off with the other. I don't believe it's physically possible to remove someone like that without the desk getting tipped over. Once he decides to use physical force and she decided to fight it, it's not going to end pretty. So I believe the way to avoid that would be non physical confrontations.

Maybe it's possible to drag the desk into the hall?

Her noncompliance was met with violence that I don't think was warranted. You can be physical without being violent. Even after she was removed from the chair he threw her across the ground, at that point he was just ****** off.

 

[Mr Janny]

Maybe you just wait a minute until her legs get tired and everyone has had a chance to cool off and then talk about it? Maybe you have everyone leave the room for a minute? Maybe this student isn't going to be acting like this when no one is around to see it. I get it, no one has any minutes to wait, everything must happen now or it's ruined. But then when you look back on it everyone in this situation is going to be like, "crap, this could have turned out differently with a little patience."

It's one of my main problems with law enforcement. No patience. They don't like it when they aren't on the front foot at all times. They aren't able to properly recover from not being on the front foot at all times and act out violently immediately. They aren't able to outsmart anyone, only out-intimadate them (sometimes lol).

well said. De-escalate the situation. For ****'s sake, the go to move seems to be intimidation and then force. Don't these cops have any other tools in their utility belt?

 

[ISUCubswin]

Yes. Allow the girl to behave like trash, distract the class, and just keep pecking at her until the school day is over. Then let her go home and just write her up a couple times for misbehaving.

That'll teach her!

 

[ISUCubswin]

well said. De-escalate the situation. For ****'s sake, the go to move seems to be intimidation and then force. Don't these cops have any other tools in their utility belt?

According to the article, students claim the officer told her to leave her desk "5-6 times" before finally using force. He even was removing stuff from around her desk to give her room, in which she started to ignore him.

 

[Mr Janny]

Yes. Allow the girl to behave like trash, distract the class, and just keep pecking at her until the school day is over. Then let her go home and just write her up a couple times for misbehaving.

That'll teach her!

absolutely not. The school needs to expel her. You can't allow her to be do what she did. She needs to be gone.

 

[Clark]

a procedure short of throwing her across the room, you mean? There are plenty of methods of restraint/subdual that don't involve that level of force. Go ask someone who works on a behavioral health unit, where dealing with combative and disruptive people is a daily occurrence. Ask them how often they have to throw their patients across the room. Restraint and subdual does not have need to involve WWE level force.

I don't know anyone who works in a behavioral health unit, that's why I asked the anonymous blowhard on a message board:wink:

 

[Mr Janny]

According to the article, students claim the officer told her to leave her desk "5-6 times" before finally using force. He even was removing stuff from around her desk to give her room, in which she started to ignore him.

yeah, that's not deescalating. He said, "Get up or I'm going to get you up." That's intimidation, not deescalation.

 

[Mr Janny]

I don't know anyone who works in a behavioral health unit, that's why I asked the anonymous blowhard on a message board:wink:

I assume, in your scenario, I represent the anonymous blowhard? Alright, the shoe probably fits on that one. That's a nice pull. I can't even be mad at that.

 

[Gunnerclone]

According to the article, students claim the officer told her to leave her desk "5-6 times" before finally using force. He even was removing stuff from around her desk to give her room, in which she started to ignore him.

Omg she was IGNORING him? I would have have batoned her legs while tazing her face off for that egregious insult. We should send this girl off to Qatar and see how she likes it.

 

[ISUKyro]

absolutely not. The school needs to expel her. You can't allow her to be do what she did. She needs to be gone.

No state in US has the ability to expel for class disruption.
I don't know about the state but in Texas here is the small list of things you can expel a student for:
*Possesion of a weapon
*Aggravated assault
*Arson
*Murder
*Indecency w/Child
*Aggravated kidnapping
*Aggravated robbery
*Manslaughter
*Continual sexual abuse of a child
*Drug offenses that are also a felony

Long story short, almost impossible to expel someone for anything short of what would put them in jail anyway.

 

[ISUCubswin]

Omg she was IGNORING him? I would have have batoned her legs while tazing her face off for that egregious insult. We should send this girl off to Qatar and see how she likes it.

In what society did you grow up in did you learn that disrespecting your authorities was ok?

 

[ISUCubswin]

yeah, that's not deescalating. He said, "Get up or I'm going to get you up." That's intimidation, not deescalation.

That's the first thing he said, right when he walked in? Didn't say a single thing to her beforehand?

Asking honestly, because I've only seen two videos, neither of which have any talking, just lots of violence.

The "she was asked to get up 5-6 times" was reported from students.