Tom Manning Needs To Go

[Jiub]

Yeah I don’t see why Dekkers is struggling to much. Manning needs to start using plays that goes to Dekkers strengths, not plays that hinder it.

I feel we have a very talented QB but are just playing not to lose/catch up most games.

 

[GoldCy]

Seems the defenses are anticipating snap with relative ease. The D end knew and just left too aggressively. Plugs up the run.
Receivers running the short routes also brings D up close that negates runs.
Both offensive responsibility. Don't need $1M to see these.

 

[MyNameEhJeff]

No we didn’t.

Find me another OC in ISU history that had multiple teams averaging over 425YPG and 31PPG in ISU history. Hint: you won’t

 

[MyNameEhJeff]

Who coaches Dekkers?

Joel Gordon lmao

 

[madguy30]

Joel Gordon lmao

He doesn't communicate with the O.C., or....

 

[MyNameEhJeff]

He doesn't communicate with the O.C., or....

You asked who coaches Dekkers. Is Joel Gordon the QB coach and passing game coordinator, or no?

 

[madguy30]

You asked who coaches Dekkers. Is Joel Gordon the QB coach and passing game coordinator, or no?

The O.C. doesn't have any coaching with Dekkers?

 

[MyNameEhJeff]

The O.C. doesn't have any coaching with Dekkers?

You asked who coaches Dekkers. Tom Manning is not Dekkers position coach. I understand why you’re trying to make Manning your scape goat and avoid Dekkers being a large part of the equation, because it doesn’t fit your narrative

 

[cycloneML]

Isn’t the answer right on the staff? A former All American QB who probably knows a thing or two about running an offense and who is considered to be one of the brightest rising stars in college football coaching?

Who is that

 

[madguy30]

You asked who coaches Dekkers. Tom Manning is not Dekkers position coach. I understand why you’re trying to make Manning your scape goat and avoid Dekkers being a large part of the equation, because it doesn’t fit your narrative

The offensive coaches, whether it be oversight or individual, would work together to compliment a player's strengths, correct?

I'm not making Manning a scape goat. I think being ISU's O.C. would be really hard because of the personnel realistically available.

Some of the concepts and general lack of rhythm, pace, etc. are baffling though.

 

[MyNameEhJeff]

The offensive coaches, whether it be oversight or individual, would work together to compliment a player's strengths, correct?

I'm not making Manning a scape goat. I think being ISU's O.C. would be really hard because of the personnel realistically available.

Some of the concepts and general lack of rhythm, pace, etc. are baffling though.

Play calling should compliment the players strengths, yes. Eyeing down a receiving and throwing interceptions are not on Tom Manning. Sure there have been some questionable play calls, I think every team could say that throughout a game, but the turnovers, inconsistencies, holding onto the ball for too long taking an 11 yard loss due to a sack, those things are not on Tom Manning.

Jeff Myers would be the first coach I would take a look at. Manning has at least produced high powered offenses and developed AA tight ends in his time. Our OL hasn’t progressed much (if at all) since Myers has been in charge of them.

 

[Kettes]

His arm is meant to throw down field not 3 yard crossing routes or throws all the way to the sideline. I’ve never seen an OC so scared to move DOWN the field

I'm guessing the fact that the pocket collapses so fast that X isn't given enough time to GET down field. Also, X is all there is. Noah just isn't a threat. Certainly not enough to draw some of the coverage off of X.

But, to answer the previous question, yes our O-Line isn't good.

 

[isufbcurt]

Who is that

Scheelhasse?

 

[madguy30]

Play calling should compliment the players strengths, yes. Eyeing down a receiving and throwing interceptions are not on Tom Manning. Sure there have been some questionable play calls, I think every team could say that throughout a game, but the turnovers, inconsistencies, holding onto the ball for too long taking an 11 yard loss due to a sack, those things are not on Tom Manning.

Jeff Myers would be the first coach I would take a look at. Manning has at least produced high powered offenses and developed AA tight ends in his time. Our OL hasn’t progressed much (if at all) since Myers has been in charge of them.

Those things are certainly not solely on Tom Manning. Is he the one that individual coaches report to? I'm actually asking. I would think that would be the hierarchy and 'we need to work with Dekkers to get rid of the ball quicker/find a way to avoid these WR/QB miscommunications' would come up as a focus.

RE: the Oline...is there really that much talent to work with that they should be vastly better?

They don't seem built for zone blocking which is what a few plays looked similar to yesterday.

 

[cygrads]

We’ve had the best offensive numbers in ISU history with manning as the OC

It's a testament to the quality of skill players we had because the lack of any misdirection plays makes it even more difficult to gain yardage since pretty much every defense flows to the ball with little risk we're going to make them pay for it.

 

[2speedy1]

All these horizontal passes to the side are part of the reason Dekkers is getting picked. They are bait for the Defender to cut in front of the receiver and pick the ball. Then running X in Crossing routes 3 yards from the line of scrimmage and the other out routes lateral to the sides makes no sense.

Nothing is going vertical. We threw 1 vertical pass down the middle and it went for something like 40 yards and led to our only touchdown.

With all these horizontal passes and short passes in the middle of all the defenders happen and become easy picks Dekkers starts throwing low and behind the receivers, to try to prevent the picks, but also it makes it so our receivers cant catch them. Its also hard to hit a guy streaking across 3 yards in front of you.

It is one thing to run a 5 yard pass play on 1st and 10, but what is the point of running a pass route 5 yards down the field on 3rd and 10. You have to run those routes beyond the sticks. All of them. except for maybe 1 dump off.

Finally, the line has got to give him more time. Dekkers is young, inexperienced, and takes more time to go through his progressions. We have an experienced, veteran line, they should be able to give him a decent amount of time. And they are not. From the start he was rushed, he had guys in his face, he was hit. That gets in a young QBs head, and starts causing mistakes. As the game goes on the line did not get any better and Dekkers started having more problems as a result. We have to be better at developing better offensive linemen. We have to develop a better offensive scheme for our team makeup. We have to be better at calling plays that work, and for the situation. We have to be better at mixing up what we call, and being creative, not the same thing over and over.

Finally, we need someone coaching our Special teams, every day, all practice. There needs to be a coach that is coaching Special teams and focused on them and those issues.

 

[SwirlyBird]

There’s a reason his clown ass lasted one year in the NFL before the Colts kindly asked him to gtfo

Look at this chuckle **** calling someone who made it to the top of their profession a clown

 

[t-noah]

Manning is a problem fact. But when he was gone the offensive play calling was a problem. Campbell has his hands all over it, until he takes them off nothing is going to change weather its Manning or someone else.

I am leaning toward this conclusion as well and have posted as much yesterday and today.

Campbell is going to have to remove his blinders and release some control of the offense. Give it up and let Manning have more control. See what happens.

I'm not sure if he will be able to do it though. He is a bit of a control freak I'm afraid.

Good points, yes. Respect, yes, of course. But Campbell needs to let go of some of the details. He needs to hire the right people, and give them a bit more control. He still controls the offense, perhaps too much. He gives Manning his marching orders. So Campbell is to blame here.

For the rest of the year, let Manning let loose a little more. Let him have more, not less control. Just a thought. If we still see the same tendancies, the predictability, then let Manning go after this year.

Getting a better O-line means changing the OL coach. It hasn't been a strong point in 6 years and it HAS to be.

Get a Special Teams coach.

Edit: I may be way off on thinking Manning needs more, not less control. I just think a lot of the Offensive structure and design is due to Campbell. He gets the credit when it goes well. He needs to make some changes when it doesn't.

 

[ClonesInDallas]

Look at this chuckle **** calling someone who made it to the top of their profession a clown

Tight end coach in the NFL is the top of their profession? Someone should tell Hawk fans so they stop booing Brian Ferentz. If only they knew he made the top of his profession

 

[MyNameEhJeff]

Those things are certainly not solely on Tom Manning. Is he the one that individual coaches report to? I'm actually asking. I would think that would be the hierarchy and 'we need to work with Dekkers to get rid of the ball quicker/find a way to avoid these WR/QB miscommunications' would come up as a focus.

RE: the Oline...is there really that much talent to work with that they should be vastly better?

They don't seem built for zone blocking which is what a few plays looked similar to yesterday.

No, all of the position coaches don’t report to Tom Manning, they report to Campbell.

Yes, there are talented linemen, many of whom had solid offers coming out of HS, on ISU’s roster. There has been little to zero progress throughout the years.