The thing is, we know how the season panned out for the 04-05 team, but we have no idea for this team. Sure we return a lot of players, but maybe the biggest piece of the puzzle this year (Gilstrap) we haven't even seen on the court yet. We also don't know how player development went. I mean, at the beginning of last year, for the first few games it looked like Brackins was his freshmen self, missing a ton of shots from 5 feet from the basket and getting flustered, but at the end of the season we were lucky to keep him from the NBA. I think we have a lot of season watching to do before we get an accurate comparison between the two teams.
This year's team compared to the 04-05 NCAA team?
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I should probably remind you that those three lost to McKeown, Jacobson, and Crawford from UNI in 2004....:wink:
you have to be kidding. dg/buck/colvin don't deserve to be in the same sentence yet as jamaal,
Kind of my point. If he didn't have someone to dish it to, the ole' Just Give It To Curtis play didn't always work. Sometimes it did, but not always.
Kind of a Chizik staff vs. Rhoads staff thing. We are much better at making in game adjustments now and actually having a plan. Plus, I think it was the other team launching 30 footers last year. And making them.
Stinson had barely more turnovers on a yearly average than Diante did last year and Morgan's teams not only played a lot more possessions on average he had to do just about everything for that team.
He may have "ballhogged" but that's because a lot of guys on those teams flat out didn't want the ball or didn't perform with the ball in tough situations. Also hard to imagine how such a ballhog could finish #6 in ISU history in total assists in a career (in three years) and #8 in assists per game. Stinson had ice in his veins and played well for ISU.
Our end of half situations frequently involve us clearing out for Diante. How is that different than clearing out for Curt? Stinson was a great college player who is one of the top two guards in the last 10 years for us. We all wanted more from him and those teams but he gave a lot to the Clones and had he stayed his senior year he probably would be in the top five of many statistical categories all time.
I would have loved to have a player as good as Stinson to watch the last few years.
He may have "ballhogged" but that's because a lot of guys on those teams flat out didn't want the ball or didn't perform with the ball in tough situations. Also hard to imagine how such a ballhog could finish #6 in ISU history in total assists in a career (in three years) and #8 in assists per game. Stinson had ice in his veins and played well for ISU.
Our end of half situations frequently involve us clearing out for Diante. How is that different than clearing out for Curt? Stinson was a great college player who is one of the top two guards in the last 10 years for us. We all wanted more from him and those teams but he gave a lot to the Clones and had he stayed his senior year he probably would be in the top five of many statistical categories all time.
I would have loved to have a player as good as Stinson to watch the last few years.
Blalock>Garrett-Will was much more of a playmaker
Stinson>Staiger-hate say it much Stinson would eat Lucca alive
Clark><Gilstrap-interesting match-up, really dont know much about Gilstrap so its hard to say
Staple<Brackins-I know Brackins is a stud, but Staple wasn't such a bad post defender
Homan>Hamilton-Jared was experienced, good rebounder, and smart post player, which what I hope Hamilton can some day be
As of right now I think the '04 team beats '09 by 15, mostly because we still dont know much about Gilstrap, and the development of Hamilton and our gaurds
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Jackson Vroman was not on that team. I think I've seen two of you indicate he was.
He graduated the year before (NIT Final Four).
He graduated the year before (NIT Final Four).
Kantrail Horton > Marquis Gilstrap?
Marcus Fizer ~= Craig Brackins
Paul Shirley >> Justin Hamilton?
Martin Rancik >> LaRon Dendy?
Jamaal Tinsley >>>> Garrett/Buckley/Colvin?
Mr Clutch beats unknown 1 yr juco anyday.
Fizer was more dominant than Brackins has been, but I'll give him the benifit of the doubt.
Shirley would take Ham 10 ft out and start a layup drill.
Rancik wins over the ? at that position.
Tinsley was one of the top PGs in the NBA before he started getting shot at. Off-court issues aside, he's in the conversation for the best player to ever wear a Cyclone uniform. Garrett/Buckly/Colvin could all be on the court at the same time and Tinsley would make them look foolish.
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1-yr players that have yet to play a second of ISU basketball are obviously WAAAAAAY better than Clark.
Lucca's probably going to be a dominant player just like he was before the season the last 2 years right?
Lets let Gilstrap play 1 game before we crown him an all-time great.
1-yr players that have yet to play a second of ISU basketball are obviously WAAAAAAY better than Clark.
Lucca's probably going to be a dominant player just like he was before the season the last 2 years right?
Lets let Gilstrap play 1 game before we crown him an all-time great.
This, Although I am just as excited about Gilstrap as the next guy, We have to see him play first
1-yr players that have yet to play a second of ISU basketball are obviously WAAAAAAY better than Clark.
Lucca's probably going to be a dominant player just like he was before the season the last 2 years right?
Lets let Gilstrap play 1 game before we crown him an all-time great.
Clark is a much better defender...Offensively, not even close, Gilstrap is way better.
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I'm just saying. Juco ball is juco ball.
For every Taylor/Tinsley there are a hundred players that nobody remembers.
Greg is generally known for throwing new players in quickly and getting them heavily involved in the offense from day one right? :dull:
Clark was a 3 year starter who was the only thing that kept Greg from jumping off a bridge his first season. Character points, defense points, locker room points, and showtime dunks.
so he didn't average 15 ppg, he was still a key to the program for a long time, and he started for 3 times as long as Gilstrap is even eligible.
Its hard to tell. I will say i think we have better SF, PF and C. From what i hear from the managers Gilstrap kills it . But im sorry our pg and sg do not compare to having a blaylock and stinson duo out there even if both of them couldnt shoot. We also this year will have a much better bench than that team did. But in the end the Big 12 Conference upgraded so much every team is going to have to be on their game every night.
It depends on which '04-05 team showed up, the one that won @Kansas, or the one that lost at home to Colorado and Nebraska. The '04 team could really turn it on, but they could also drop a load. I think the '04 team might win a best of 3 or 5 series, but that is only because this season hasn't started yet and we haven't seen what they can do yet. I really hope this years team is better than that '04 team.
