OMG... give me a break. God we have a bunch of drama queens in this fanbase. It was so much worse in the Morgan/McDermott era.
This is why Prohm must go........
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Donate them to boys and girls club, BBBS of Central IA, etc. Write off the face value.
Morgan went to the NIT, won a tourney game, then had one bad albeit winning season (16-14) and we never really found out if he could right the ship.
It was about on par with good eras at ISU.
This is true, the results were overall not bad. The problem was you could see that Morgan wasn't in control of the program. He was a great recruiter and brought in some real dudes. But the team played like they never practiced at all - no discipline, no plan, no clue on the court. Just hustle and talent. Someone once said his practices were basically "roll the ball out and let the guys scrimmage".
As a coach he was okay but not great, which is frankly, 90% of coaches. Including our current coach.
I still support CSP as our coach, but I understand the desire to move on. But unless a Creighton comes along and takes him away it ain't happening, so I choose to cheer hard for him and his team to make the turn around.
Prohm has recruited great athletes with the thought that he could piece it all together when they get here. Unfortunately he doesn't have the swagger to get guys like THT, Wigs, Cam to buy-in to working harder than the competition. (Wigs didn't seem to get "it" until last year's Big XII tourney). I think CSP would serve himself well to take a grade less in talent to find the guys that are coachable and hard-working and fit into his plan, which I think he has now. This was part of McDermott's issue here as well.
I've been to a few practices over the years and to my untrained eye CSP can coach. The one thing people always rag on CSP for are inbounds plays, as should be the case. But to me, there are plays out there, but inbounds plays are effort plays. I love the quote, "Hard work beats talent that doesn't work hard". To me, this is where we have had issues. This team plays hard, but just hasn't hit their groove. I'm hoping it happens tonight and something clicks going forward. Even if it doesn't I will continue to watch and cheer for CSP and the Clones every game.
Prohm has recruited great athletes with the thought that he could piece it all together when they get here. Unfortunately he doesn't have the swagger to get guys like THT, Wigs, Cam to buy-in to working harder than the competition. (Wigs didn't seem to get "it" until last year's Big XII tourney). I think CSP would serve himself well to take a grade less in talent to find the guys that are coachable and hard-working and fit into his plan, which I think he has now. This was part of McDermott's issue here as well.
I've been to a few practices over the years and to my untrained eye CSP can coach. The one thing people always rag on CSP for are inbounds plays, as should be the case. But to me, there are plays out there, but inbounds plays are effort plays. I love the quote, "Hard work beats talent that doesn't work hard". To me, this is where we have had issues. This team plays hard, but just hasn't hit their groove. I'm hoping it happens tonight and something clicks going forward. Even if it doesn't I will continue to watch and cheer for CSP and the Clones every game.
"Don't worry about runnin' an offense, boys, how about you go out there and have fun?"
That led to some highlight reel stuff, certainly.
But then they'd throw it back out of bounds on an in-bounds play the next trip down the court, and we'd end up losing by 3 or something like that.
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It's more than just inbounds plays though. I almost suspect they rarely practice situational basketball: inbounds plays, defending inbounds plays, 10 secs left we have the ball, 6 secs left they have the ball, etc etc.
Maybe CSP just doesn't emphasize and put much time into the situational stuff in practice. Maybe that's why they look lost defending with 5 secs left, chucking 40 footers with 3 secs left, et al. Just speculating.
An NIT bid and a 9 seed in the tournament is a long ways from a "good" 3 year stretch at ISU. I can point to numerous 3 year stretches that were WAAAAAY better. Still, if you want to say Morgan's tenure in a vacuum was ok fine. However, if you consider his tenure was smack dab in the middle of the worst 10 year stretch of basketball at ISU in the modern era, I don't think too many people are looking back on the Morgan era fondley. And that was my point. Fan apathy was SOOO much worse from the last few years of Eustachy to the time Fred got here. It was really bad for a while there. For someone to say you have to go back to the pre-Orr days to find a time it was this bad is utterly ridiculous.
Yeah, I haven't gone in the last 2 years but there is only so much time. When I went the last time they focused on defensive help, where CSP was the point. I was shocked at his ability to coach while controlling the ball. Kind of like being an actor, it's one thing to remember your lines, but when you add the steps and other actions that's an art.
Based on my observations he spends the majority on what isn't working in practice, which I assume is normal. But if you were coach how much time would you spend on X with this team? Would you emphasize X or O? And as bad as some things are right now, it's hard to practice situationally when you are still working on making X and O better fundamentally. And I think that goes back to how many of these guys have multiple seasons playing here?
The Morgan era was the best, by far, of that 10 year stretch. (2001-2011)
Stopped the looooong road losing streak in conference. Made it into 2nd round of NCAA tourney before losing to the eventual national champs. Made the NIT semi-final.
Well up to that point, ISU had only been to the NCAA tourney 3 times consecutively once.
Otherwise it was typically one or two tourneys, followed by a down season.
So at the time, an NIT, NCAA tourney, and a winning season were about on par with other good three year stretches especially under Orr.
And I don't recall apathy under Morgan when they had Hilton going crazy for a few games and winning at the Phog with Stinson and Co. Was Morgan a great coach? No, but his time was pretty good by previous ISU standards.
Ok, I dont really care about Morgan. If you want to think he was a great coach at ISU fine. My point wasnt to debate the merits of Wayne Morgans coaching tenure.
No link but every single article that Iowa State has been remotely mentioned in in the past 3 weeks he just ******* in the comment section about Prohm being the worst coach in college basketball and how much we will lose by.
I don't care if an ISU fan thinks that, I know plenty who do as evident here. But what is the benefit of doing that on a national site when most of the articles have slim to nothing to do about ISU? I don't get it. It's like that Austin B guy thinks the national fan base and national media members seeing his post 2-3 times a week will magically remove prohm from his life or something. Idk, I just don't understand people some times. especially "fans"
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Yeah, they were pretty much all over the place, and his last season had some major failures. But right now, I'd love if ISU's identity was 'Hustle and talent'. It's at least something.
Also I think the 2-3 zone was what you were going to generally get from ISU at the time.
My favorite was at OU in '06. ISU had the lead pretty much all game, and had a break away that I think could have practically sealed. But, Blaylock decided to put the ball behind his back on the way to the hoop, and turned it over.
One problem was that era followed Eustachy, whose teams were disciplined to a fault.
I don't think anyone's comparing the two. It was just pointing out that Morgan's three year run at ISU wasn't all that different than other times.
