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Oops. My bad. According to this, B10 has 9 of the 20 most valuable programs.
Pretty clear cutoff after USC, Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State.
Then a pretty big clump that includes Oregon, Washington, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan State.
For whatever it’s worth. I don’t see the B10 ever breaking up or having unequal share.
College football program valuations: Ranking every Power 4 team by how much they’d sell for
College football programs may not be for sale, but what if they were? Here's our best guess at how much the Power 4 would sell for.
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Agree with almost all. My comment was aimed at poster that said that Iowa was ‘clearly’ in the top third of Big 10 football. I do not believe that to be true.Oops. My bad. According to this, B10 has 9 of the 20 most valuable programs.
Pretty clear cutoff after USC, Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State.
Then a pretty big clump that includes Oregon, Washington, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan State.
For whatever it’s worth. I don’t see the B10 ever breaking up or having unequal share.
College football program valuations: Ranking every Power 4 team by how much they’d sell for
College football programs may not be for sale, but what if they were? Here's our best guess at how much the Power 4 would sell for.
I think there will be a split or unequal share agreement, but probably not in my lifetime.
Iowa can go ahead and be the last team admitted into the Super League.
Enjoy going 1-11 forever.
Ohio St., Georgia, and Texas didn't bring you in because they plan on losing to you.
They'll rake $$$ but be the Washington Generals.
Enjoy going 1-11 forever.
Ohio St., Georgia, and Texas didn't bring you in because they plan on losing to you.
They'll rake $$$ but be the Washington Generals.
I don't think there will ever be a super league. There's always got to be built-in W's. No way all the top teams want to play each other every week. Plus I don't see the Big and SEC ever joining. More than likely both conferences will just continue to expand. Not sure what the perfect number to stop will be but when the ACC's media deal gets closer to ending we will see expansion again.
Iowa's being propped up via association with Michigan and Ohio State.
The writing is very much on the wall that it will not continue much longer, one way or another. It's just a matter of time before Iowa's making their fair share and then they're going to have to figure out how to be smart about things.
The writing is very much on the wall that it will not continue much longer, one way or another. It's just a matter of time before Iowa's making their fair share and then they're going to have to figure out how to be smart about things.
They aren't going to do the full Super League for a lot of reasons, but they're going to make the coat tail riders take a lot less money.
We aren't far from a world where being a non-power in the Big 10 or SEC isn't an advantage over the Big 12 and ACC. They'll probably take a hair cut to the point where they still make a little more than we do, but they'll make far less than they are now, and they'll still have to play the blue bloods to collect that moderately higher check.
As much as I'd like to agree with your final sentence. The Texas Longhorns say "Hi"
They will take the schools in the ACC they've been waiting to get, and then the ACC leftovers and Big 12 will merge and we'll have a situation where major college athletics exists in 3 conglomerations with varying revenue values.
Even if a super league is formed, not every team in the league is going to be Ohio State and Alabama, there will be enough Purdues and Marylands for the really good teams to continue to get their wins. What we are seeing now is the make up of your schedule for many of the teams is almost as important as your talent level, miss most of the better teams in the league and it looks like you are a lot better than you really are.
If the B10 and SEC expand much more they will have to break the conferences back into divisions which will put us right back to where we were when this all started, after weeding out some of the weaker teams from the ACC, B12 and P12. Is 40 teams enough or is it 60, that will be the question, you have to be able to provide the money for those teams in the league, but you also do not want to leave too many teams out of the league that have value. That will be the difficult part.
Would I rather be in their situation or ours is such a loaded question. We have better coaching and administration so I will always choose what gives us the best chance to win on the field. Iowa is undoubtedly in a better financial position than us until the Big Ten goes to unequal revenue sharing in their next media deal.
This is pretty funny considering this will be what, the 8th consecutive offseason Campbell is leaving Iowa State and the 15th consecutive season Iowa State is going to the MAC?
It's not a loaded question, they have money and we don't, they have had two coaches over the past 45 years, and the AD that was the problem over there is now gone.
Even if the B10 goes to unequal revenue in the future, EIU will still be receiving around $40 to $50 million a year more than ISU and the B12 members will. They have a path in front of them to get out of their money problems, where we do not at this time. Cy Town is not going to be averaging 2 million a month to pay out to the athletes down road, unless the university or the state starts pushing money into ISU and UNI, the future of both are not good.
They’ve had more money than us forever yet both programs that actually generate revenue we are in a better position than they are.
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In what way and where are we in a better position than EIU? Because of the B10 media deal they are bringing in 50 million more than we are. Their mbb team was still making money because of the same media deal and will make even more with the coaching change.
We have maintained an equal level on the field, that is true, but how much longer can that last when they are going to be rolling in tens of millions more per year going forward while ISU will be struggling to come up with the $20 million to pay their athletes?
The long term picture for any of the schools in the B12 is not bright unless they have had a major donor or two step up and drop some serious money into the program like what happened at TT. Many of the schools are going to have to make do with less, while the B10 and SEC schools will continue to get wealthier, have better facilities and be able to pay for the best coaches, and if they hire the wrong guy, to buy themselves out of the contract and hire the next guy. You can only make do for so long before it catches up with you and the B10 and SEC schools will not be facing that future threat because of their media deals.
We have maintained an equal level on the field, that is true, but how much longer can that last when they are going to be rolling in tens of millions more per year going forward while ISU will be struggling to come up with the $20 million to pay their athletes?
The long term picture for any of the schools in the B12 is not bright unless they have had a major donor or two step up and drop some serious money into the program like what happened at TT. Many of the schools are going to have to make do with less, while the B10 and SEC schools will continue to get wealthier, have better facilities and be able to pay for the best coaches, and if they hire the wrong guy, to buy themselves out of the contract and hire the next guy. You can only make do for so long before it catches up with you and the B10 and SEC schools will not be facing that future threat because of their media deals.
Basketball is a no brainer that we are in a better position than them. We will be as long as TJ is here.
Football I can see both sides but we have a New Years 6 bowl win this decade, something they haven’t done since the 2000s and they can’t beat a ranked team. Combine that with Ferentz on his way out and their struggles at the QB position and I wouldn’t trade positions with them right now.
A Big Ten and SEC of ~20 each basically is a composite Super League.
Texas won a national title in 2005. It wasn't yesterday, but it wasn't the 1950s. They lost in the title game in 2009. Sark has turned them around recently. They won two playoff games last spring.
Iowa is stuck in Groundhog Day going 8-4 and losing to SEC teams in Nashville and Orlando.
In MBB, Texas made an Elite Eight not long ago and now has Sean Miller, who is an ******* but was routinely taking Arizona into the second weekend. Iowa hasn't made the second weekend since 1999.
Texas underachieves relative to their resources but has done at least a few things.
Iowa is completely stuck in the mud.
An EIU fan could counter and say their WBB made the final four and played for two national championships in back to back seasons, that while the MBB team has struggled the new coach has won at a high level and will do the same at EIU. The football team is currently ranked in the playoff top 25 and ISU is not. Sure the QB play has been below average but the defense has been ranked in the top 10 to 20 numerous times over the past couple of decades.
Both sides can pick and choose to show they have the stronger program, but what you cannot do is pick and choose over the money issue. EIU has more now, will have more coming into the program in the future under their current media contract, while you cannot say that same about ISU. They have money and will continue to have it down the road, while the same cannot be said for ISU.
WBB is a money loser. We are in better position than them in the two revenue generating sports.
Also you keep saying they have money but then why did they take out a $50 mil loan they haven’t even put a dent in to pay back? Why did they lay off a bunch of athletic staff support and tell them it was because of revenue sharing?
I don’t think they will get 80% of that. I also think if they go through with PE Michigan will be gone at first chance. Then OSU has a decision because they are really carrying the conference.
