That game was stolen from us.

[VeloClone]

Refs weren’t good clearly…. but Grill making a wide open layup would’ve been nice

Note on the replay from under the basket that contrary to what McClure said there was contact. Joe had his hand on Grill's hip. While you can argue that that probably isn't enough for a foul it is more contact than Grill had on the drive where he tried to get out of the way. Caleb was whistled on that one.

 

[NoCreativity]

Just watched the replay, that was an abomination of a basketball game.

The officiating was really poor but not as bad as I was expecting after reading the threads last night. We certainly didn't do ourselves any favors with all the stupid tunrovers..

 

[madguy30]

I should have been more explicit. My point about the two no call bank shots were that they were pure luck and had nothing to do with our defense breaking down. We have lost 4 road games in conference play of which a #11 ranked team would find a way to win one or two. Appears to be a pattern. Is it lack of a consistent go to scorer who can create a shot at crunch time such as Brockington? Would TJ influence some of these homer calls our way if he got in the officials ear with more demonstrative action on occasion? There is no question that he has done a wonderful job with the program and this team has performed way above and beyond expectations.

Was Brockington really that clutch? He was crucial and hit big shots throughout but how many game winners/sealers did he have in a 7-11 conference season? He struggled to finish at the rim like many others.

In college basketball's current state all sorts of high ranked teams are flawed and in there somewhere ISU fits or they wouldn't get the votes.

 

[Brookcyde]

Two positive take-aways: grinding away to come back from 15 down under seriously adverse circumstances, and Lipsey stepping up to show the league he can be a scoring threat. Otherwise, ooof. All that was missing was a WVU three pointer in between two ISU free throws on a two shot foul.

 

[dafarmer]

Even Huggybear knew he was lucky, commented that the just beat the best team in the BIG XII.

 

[Bestaluckcy]

Even Huggybear knew he was lucky, commented that the just beat the best team in the BIG XII.

I would feel better if he could find a way to beat the second best Big XII team on Saturday.

 

[HFCS]

Was Brockington really that clutch? He was crucial and hit big shots throughout but how many game winners/sealers did he have in a 7-11 conference season? He struggled to finish at the rim like many others.

In college basketball's current state all sorts of high ranked teams are flawed and in there somewhere ISU fits or they wouldn't get the votes.

I think Holmes ability to score at the rim has nearly replaced a lot of Brockington's mid range game in terms of just getting buckets.

Other reasons offense took a quantum leap forward:
- Lipsey scoring at rim at times and usually at a very high %
- Gabe improved shooting and improved his own mid range game to literally replace Brockington's strength
- Grill improved shooting
- Osun scoring at rim in some games
- Guys like King, Osun, Jones, Lipsey, Watson and Ward scoring more on offensive rebounds than we did last year

Playing against normal teams with normal officiating, our offense is actually quite nice to watch many games. We were #2 scoring offense in B12 play a couple weeks ago, not sure if that's still the case.

The idea that "we are the new WVU" is crazy dumb. I've never seen WVU's all around game look as fluid as we looked in both games vs KU. When we get shooters like Milan in here our offense is going to be fine, especially with Lipsey adding stability for years barring injury. It'll be great to still play great defense but we're already past last year where a game HAS to be a rock fight for ISU to win.

 

[Malty Flannel]

Note on the replay from under the basket that contrary to what McClure said there was contact. Joe had his hand on Grill's hip. While you can argue that that probably isn't enough for a foul it is more contact than Grill had on the drive where he tried to get out of the way. Caleb was whistled on that one.

Yeah the biggest issue isn't calls that did or didnt go against ISU, its the COMPLETE lack of consistency. they called fouls all game on the smallest amount of contact, especially at the rim. They fouled 3 of our players out on minimal contact. They called a foul on Caleb for extremely minimal contact defending a layup. Then all the sudden at the end of the game they swallow the whistle.

 

[wgleason]

For those that claim Caleb wasn't touched on his layup attempt. I understand the refs couldn't slow it down to 1/4 speed like I did, but it looked like a foul in real time and in slow mo replay. Joe clearly trips Caleb as he goes to jump.

From that angle, Caleb is very luck to not have a bad ankle sprain. Definitely a foul and the ref trailing the play had a perfect view to call it but swallowed instead.

 

[mikeiastat]

Yeah. Sweeping the leg is something I say from the couch, not something to do in practice.
It's pretty slick of Touissant to know that the refs will be looking for upper body contact and go low instead, but it's dirty.
Or, if you will, traditional Huggyball.

You can take the hawkeye out of the trash but you can't take the trash out of the Hawkeye.

Straight up dirty Play. Should have been a flagrant long before the guys face smashing big Robs shoulder.

 

[MartyFine]

I tried to stay away from these boards last night, but I am still furious today. Basically impossible to win on the road in this league with this officiating. Hopefully we win out at home and we'll see what happens on neutral courts.

 

[wgleason]

I totally get how that wasn’t called a foul because it’s impossible to see…but it also easily explains that Grill didn’t just blow an easy basket.

There were about 197 worse calls and non calls in this game. But thanks to you posting that I at least understand why his finish looked so brutal.

I disagree it's impossible to see. The ref trailing the play has perfect angle and far enough away so he doesn't focus just on the ball but see the whole play. the ankle roll totally displaces Caleb's drive & jump. Easy to spot in this case.

 

[cstrunk]

I'm debating whether to watch it today also.

Just watched the replay, that was an abomination of a basketball game.

The officiating was really poor but not as bad as I was expecting after reading the threads last night. We certainly didn't do ourselves any favors with all the stupid tunrovers..

Lmfao you made all those comments last night and this morning without even having watched the game. Wow.

 

[CYDJ]

Just watched the replay, that was an abomination of a basketball game.

The officiating was really poor but not as bad as I was expecting after reading the threads last night. We certainly didn't do ourselves any favors with all the stupid tunrovers..

WE TOLD YOU NOT TO WATCH! It was for your own good.

 

[ZRF]

I would agree the officiating was marginal. The Robert Jones flagrant was a joke. And I thought WVU got away with bumping our cutters.

And I believe Big12 officials might be reacting to feedback/direction to officiating ISU games in general.

That's said, WE HAVE TO BE BETTER/SMARTER ON DEFENSE!! Our on-ball defense is not good- way too much dribble penetration. Guys are playing defense with their hands instead of moving their feet. Holmes, Grill, Lipsey and Kalacheur all have to be better on-ball. It's no accident that Jones, Osun and T King have all been plagued with foul trouble this season.

Players have to be smarter, when refs are calling it close. There were 12 fouls (ISU 7) called on both teams prior to the 16 minute TO. I can't recall a team being in the bonus before the first TV timeout. KU was in the bonus at the 12 minute timeout on Saturday.

TJ has to adjust. Last night wasn't isolated- it's become a trend. Trapping is great, until teams take advantage. There are teams and times during a game when we just need to play solid straight-man. Or we need to spend a lot of time in practice on a zone.

Part of the problem is guys are extending way too far. The farther someone is from the basket, the more space you give in order to reduce angles and how reaction time to move with the dribble. When bodying beyond the arc you put yourself in a position to have someone blow by you. This is what happens to Grill, Lipsey, and sometimes Gabe. Then you have Holmes who lags too far off his man and simply doesn't work hard enough when his man doesn't have the ball. He routinely was the lynch pin for several defensive breakdowns.

Proper spacing, not reach as much in the lane, and ceding easy baskets would eliminate 7-12 fouls most nights. Several avoidable fouls tonight that would have reduced the impact of the ******** ones.

The only player I feel sorry for is Osun. Not sure if he had one foul that wasn't extremely weak.

 

[ZRF]

Have, or do you coach basketball? Iowa State basketball is missing your coaching poweress

Punched him in the elbow too. Dirty piece of ****

He doesn't punch him in the elbow, he gets him in the butt. It's easy to make the mistake but watch the elbow at the supposed point of contact. It doesn't move. Then continue to watch Grills shorts. The first is obscured but you can see the point he makes contact as Grills shorts move in the back.

With that said Grill needs to can the theatrics. Still think he makes that of he focus more on the basket that embellishing the foul.

 

[Statefan10]

He doesn't punch him in the elbow, he gets him in the butt. It's easy to make the mistake but watch the elbow at the supposed point of contact. It doesn't move. Then continue to watch Grills shorts. The first is obscured but you can see the point he makes contact as Grills shorts move in the back.

With that said Grill needs to can the theatrics. Still think he makes that of he focus more on the basket that embellishing the foul.

Grill's back heel or back of his leg was made contact with by Toussiant's leg. That caused Grill's leg to buckle, but you're right that Grill does make it look worse. Regardless, that's a foul.

 

[ZRF]

Grill's back heel or back of his leg was made contact with by Toussiant's leg. That caused Grill's leg to buckle, but you're right that Grill does make it look worse. Regardless, that's a foul.

Yeah, thats a given but he also takes a fist in his buttock as well. The impact is obscured but you can see the shorts move on the swipe. Most certainly was a foul but at that point in the game Grill couldn't have been assuming any fouls would be called correctly, especially after the bogus overturn on the other end.

 

[Statefan10]

Yeah, thats a given but he also takes a fist in his buttock as well. The impact is obscured but you can see the shorts move on the swipe. Most certainly was a foul but at that point in the game Grill couldn't have been assuming any fouls would be called correctly, especially after the bogus overturn on the other end.

I would've loved to have seen Grill go off two feet as well but can't go back now. Also idk if Grill has ever done that lol. Fact of the matter was that it was a blatantly missed critical call.

With that said, had WVU gotten the ball down one after two made FTs by us, I could easily see them jumping into us for two FTs to win the game.

 

[ZRF]

well, how can you blame him for being frustrated? Did see Touisant mugging the hell out of him and when he tried to gain some freedom of movement and pushed back got called for a foul? They should have called a foul on T before that even happened. Hell, the evidence was on Grills skin, it had scratches and red marks on it. Did you see when he was facing he basket trying to grab a rebound and the WVU player came crashing in on him from behind and he somehow fouled?

You are arguing with yourself. Yes he should have been frustrated and the miss over the back and ensuing reversal was bogus. But Grill has lost his cool multiple times this year when it comes to being tightly guarded (Texas brush by under the basket was no accident) or having having calls against him missed. I get the frustration but last tight that let to one foul (where he pushed the Tech guy to the ground). By the time of the bogus overturn Grill knew how the game was being called. Yes he was fouled on the layup but what was the point of throwing his head back and arms up? Unecessary theatrics that demonstrate he was actibely thinking about drawing the foul, something he couldn't control.

Had he focused on the layup instead he probably makes it. Instead he got nothing.