That game was fixed
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After listening to 1460 this afternoon, I thought I might have been overreacting about some of the bad calls, so I just watched a replay of the last couple drives as well as some of the other questionable calls early on.
The fix was definitely in. There's really no other way to explain what happened.
What makes it worse was the commentator saying things like "the defensive backs gotta be physical with Allen Lazard" while he's 15 yards downfield. Uh what? So the bigger and stronger the guy is, the more I'm allowed to grab him?
The headshot Kempt takes while sliding? Look, even if you think the K-State player was already kinda falling down while trying to initiate a diving tackle, the NCAA and NFL both should be enforcing penalties like that. You can't hit a sliding quarterback. Period. Kempt initiated the slide, THEN got hit in the head. There's no way that should EVER not be called a penalty in this day and age. It's up to the defender to maintain enough control so as to NOT hit a sliding quarterback. There's really no grey area here.
I haven't seen on the replay where people are saying an ISU player should have been called for targeting, but I'm pretty sure I'd agree with it if a flag were to be thrown. (anyone got a timestamp for a youtube replay or something I could look at for that one?)
That offensive pass interference call on the pick play on ISU's last drive was some bull, also. Lazard's d-back was jamming him right into k-state's other d-back. Both Lazard and the k-state d-back lowered their shoulders. Mutually initiated contact, with Lazard being pushed by K-state's guy. That's exactly what that play is designed to do and it's perfectly legal. If Lazard just straight up ran into the guy without being shoved by the K-state defensive back, then yeah, it's illegal, but that's not what happened.
The list goes on and on and on. People can argue that bad calls were made or missed both ways. Yes, that's true, but guess what? When the calls mattered most, they went KSU's way. A couple were debateable, but most were blatant missed/botched calls.
Have I even mentioned the refs spotting the ball on the 3 on the last play of the game, essentially giving KSU an additional timeout?
The fix was definitely in. There's really no other way to explain what happened.
What makes it worse was the commentator saying things like "the defensive backs gotta be physical with Allen Lazard" while he's 15 yards downfield. Uh what? So the bigger and stronger the guy is, the more I'm allowed to grab him?
The headshot Kempt takes while sliding? Look, even if you think the K-State player was already kinda falling down while trying to initiate a diving tackle, the NCAA and NFL both should be enforcing penalties like that. You can't hit a sliding quarterback. Period. Kempt initiated the slide, THEN got hit in the head. There's no way that should EVER not be called a penalty in this day and age. It's up to the defender to maintain enough control so as to NOT hit a sliding quarterback. There's really no grey area here.
I haven't seen on the replay where people are saying an ISU player should have been called for targeting, but I'm pretty sure I'd agree with it if a flag were to be thrown. (anyone got a timestamp for a youtube replay or something I could look at for that one?)
That offensive pass interference call on the pick play on ISU's last drive was some bull, also. Lazard's d-back was jamming him right into k-state's other d-back. Both Lazard and the k-state d-back lowered their shoulders. Mutually initiated contact, with Lazard being pushed by K-state's guy. That's exactly what that play is designed to do and it's perfectly legal. If Lazard just straight up ran into the guy without being shoved by the K-state defensive back, then yeah, it's illegal, but that's not what happened.
The list goes on and on and on. People can argue that bad calls were made or missed both ways. Yes, that's true, but guess what? When the calls mattered most, they went KSU's way. A couple were debateable, but most were blatant missed/botched calls.
Have I even mentioned the refs spotting the ball on the 3 on the last play of the game, essentially giving KSU an additional timeout?
I really get mad at the idiots calling it a losers mentality. If I was the head coach and losing my mind, yes. Looking at the game with no influence whatsoever, its called logic. That could have been Western Michigan against St Mary's. The answer would be the same. The most likely answer is he was essentially point shaving, although I don't know what you would call that with a ref.
Also, if the refs were just incompetent, where were the holds on KSU? They had one on the kick return and then Sean proceeds to go all Paul Rhoads. Was that a loser mentality? That was right after the questionable taunting call for dropping the ball and not called by the ref right near the play.
Lazard has gotten mugged many times this year and I do think the refs tended to swallow the refs just do to his size. Makes his catches all the more impressive.
Also, if the refs were just incompetent, where were the holds on KSU? They had one on the kick return and then Sean proceeds to go all Paul Rhoads. Was that a loser mentality? That was right after the questionable taunting call for dropping the ball and not called by the ref right near the play.
Lazard has gotten mugged many times this year and I do think the refs tended to swallow the refs just do to his size. Makes his catches all the more impressive.
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Also they have absolutely no accountability other than the head of officials. Nothing is public, ever. That makes all this shady business all the easier. That and the public all watching the Iron Bowl at the same time and nothing really on the line yesterday and you had the perfect mix.
The false starts all went KSU's way and called against the Defense, that is highly statistically improbable. The first penalty on 19- Bailey was egregious as he was never even in the neutral zone, that should have been a false start. It is obvious. The only thing that isn't, are the details like Who, Why, and How Much.
Some on here were upset that CMC did not pull a Rhoads moment and complain about the refs.
As a fan, I also do not blame the refs (even though suspicous) because we played terrible for 2 minutes. Now before you call me names and tell me how stupid I am and tell all your friends to dislike my posts . It is clear that I have a minority position on this.
To be fair to the defense, that terrible two minutes happened after they thought they were done for the day and going home with a W. They may not have been in a good place mentally.
Yeah JayJordan's article mentioned something on the lines of that...
In sum, the low side argument has merit in both the created parameters of the game flow and in the actual impact of the erroneous calls. Players and coaches can and do overcome adverse game parameters on a regular basis, however, there are times and scenarios where the game is taken out the hands of the ones actually playing."
I like the excuses that well its just home cooking and the refs are afraid of the crowd. Really, have they seen the majority of games at Jack Trice, because we sure as heck don't get that home cooking. We did get a taste of that against TCU but that was about all.
Replay the last 5 minutes of that game 100 different times with 100 different referee crews and ISU wins 98 maybe 99 times. That is honestly how bad that was. The refs that threw the flags had the best views and should not be allowed to be overruled by a ref 30 yards away. Even Bill Snyder agreed during the hand shake with CMC when Bill said, “I was rooting for you. You should have won that game.”
Anybody notice that the same two officials did a number on us in the Okie State game....the same two officials
