tasty CMC anecdote

I get why someone might think this by looking at the schedule on paper but look at last year, that team SHOULD have at the least won 5 games, the KSU and Toledo games were total breakdowns against inferior teams, not to mention we were in 3 others. Far too many people (and players sadly) bought into the CPR idea that this is an impossible place to win. Even if those things are true, there is no reason for a coach to bring up those things other than as an excuse for losing. A competent coaching staff would have had last years team bowling, the talent gap isn't as bad as people make it out be. X's and O's and coaching were the biggest reason the program has struggled the last few years, it's not talent or the schedule.
I can't agree with that. Toledo was in top 25 quite a few weeks!!!
 
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Facts? LOL. No way, no how was an offer given to CMC verbally, written, or even in Morris code BEFORE HE EVER INTERVIEWED FOR A JOB. Jamie Pollard did NOT OFFER CMC A JOB BEFORE HE INTERVIEWED HIM. The only job he interviewed for was ISU, and he was then offered the job.

If you think AD's are throwing out job offers before even talking to a coach, you are in freaking la la land.

Other than interviewing at Mizzou. And that was in response to offers only being of its written down.
 
ICHawk it is not hard to believe behind the scenes coaches would be let know a job is basically theirs if they want it. They have agents and ADs have "people" so there is no official "standing offer" to embarrass a university when they are turned down. Coaching isn't like most jobs, your performance is out in the open for all to see. An AD could easily decide he wants a coach he has never met or interviewed. I don't know or care if this is true, but it is certainly plausible. You are the one coming off poorly in this "argument"

You are reasoning with a HOK fan! Might as well get a cat and talk sense to it.

As for as interviewing goes, who knows how many interviews he might have had or didn't have. None of us knew JP had interviewed Campbell until he was hired. NONE. How does anyone know if he interviewed with others or not? JP waited until after Campbell's season was over. Some ADs may not have that much class.
 
Do you think Toledo would have been in the top 25 if Iowa State makes a chip shot fg?

Most ranked teams have that game where they don't play well and escape with a victory. My new favorite team played that role in Toledo's schedule this year.
 
Most ranked teams have that game where they don't play well and escape with a victory. My new favorite team played that role in Toledo's schedule this year.

The team that didn't play well and shot themselves in the foot was Iowa State.
 
The team that didn't play well and shot themselves in the foot was Iowa State.

Let's just hope that the situation doesn't happen anymore. I know it's not in a Big 5 mentality to ever respect a "Toledo" type team. But, Toledo won the game and impressed your AD enough that he flew into Ohio to offer the coach from said University. You will never convince me that Campbell couldn't have averaged 6 wins a year with Toledo's roster at ISU over the last 5 years. I saw these guys play Florida, Ohio State, Missouri etc and didn't see much difference other than 2-3 key positions.
 
Their fans tell me he was never offered, and was like their 5th choice.

I'm hoping there is some sarcasm in there...even if he was offered the Mizzou job, do you think their fans are going to admit that he was and he chose Iowa State over them? Not a chance...they will downplay it for eternity if he was offered.
 
Absolutely. I'll bet there were a half dozen teams that were ready to make an offer to him. JP just beat them to it. Campbell was a very hot commodity when we snagged him.

I was told he could have had any of the open jobs not named Southern Cal and Miami. They had things already in the works and showed zero interest. The rest would likely have been his if he wanted them.
 
Iowa State and Texas play the same conference schedule... Iowa would have been a better comparison than Texas...

Kind of, I mean Texas does have to play ISU instead of themselves and ISU gets to play Texas, so their conference schedule is a little harder than ours.
 
I have said it for years, if Bill Snyder can build a winner at Kansas State, which was a football wasteland for decades, you can build a winner here. Manhattan, Kansas makes Ames look like Paris.
 
Yeah, but going to a bowl game with our current schedule is a lot harder than making a bowl game at most schools. Its probably easier to win 10 games at Texas than it is to win 7 at Iowa State.

I get why someone might think this by looking at the schedule on paper but look at last year, that team SHOULD have at the least won 5 games, the KSU and Toledo games were total breakdowns against inferior teams, not to mention we were in 3 others. Far too many people (and players sadly) bought into the CPR idea that this is an impossible place to win. Even if those things are true, there is no reason for a coach to bring up those things other than as an excuse for losing. A competent coaching staff would have had last years team bowling, the talent gap isn't as bad as people make it out be. X's and O's and coaching were the biggest reason the program has struggled the last few years, it's not talent or the schedule.

So Rhoads must have recruited really well then. I have been reading otherwise.

Confusing.
 
I can't agree with that. Toledo was in top 25 quite a few weeks!!!

True. If Toledo could beat Arkansas they could certainly beat us, although not lining our kicker up in the middle of the field likely cost us that game.
 
Hope. . . .

The thought just crossed my mind that in some ways, CMC and CSP are two peas in a pod. Both possess calm, cool demeanors; each said money isn't the reason they came to ISU (both are paid near the bottom of Big 12 football and mbb coaches, respectively, so maybe it's true), but rather the opportunity to work with the people surrounding ISU athletics was a key factor. Both emphasize family – unlike some wild freaky coaches out there (Harbaugh, Knight . . .) – our instincts tell us CMC and CSP mean what they say.

I recall CMC saying, at his intro press conference, he was in it for the long haul; I don't recall, did CSP say something similar?

We fans will do our job, won't we? We'll pack the Jack! We'll be fillin' the Hilton! We'll be amazin' the nation (ok, I'm reaching . . .).

I was thinking about not renewing our season football tickets for 2016, not because I do not like CPR (I still think him a good man, I'd be a hypocrite if I allowed his ISU record to change that opinion), but because I have deep affection for the Cyclones and could not bear witnessing more of the same sad results.

Now? Ten John Deere tractors could not pull me away from the ticket renewal box office. Well, they could – maybe a 1 or 2 hp kids' toy might do the job, but you get the idea.

I have high, higher, sky high! hopes for both CMC and CSP. And, unlike a few here, I give great credit to JP for a powerful values leadership that created an environment attracting such men as Matt Campbell and Steve Prohm to Iowa State University.

(CMC and CSP work directly for JP, does anyone here think -- really deep down believe -- that either would be in Ames today if JP or someone very much like him were not the director of athletics?)

Agree with a lot of what you've said, and JP will get a lot of credit if CSP and CMC work out, as he gets a lot of the blame when his hires don't work out. I do think there are a lot of athletic directors out there that have good moral standards, I don't think there are a lot of fan bases out there that keep showing up 60,000 strong following 2 and 3 win seasons.
 
Agree with a lot of what you've said, and JP will get a lot of credit if CSP and CMC work out, as he gets a lot of the blame when his hires don't work out. I do think there are a lot of athletic directors out there that have good moral standards, I don't think there are a lot of fan bases out there that keep showing up 60,000 strong following 2 and 3 win seasons.

We fans weren't showing up well before JP arrived, as best I can remember. DMac's Cyclones playing Missouri for the North Division title and we had 38k in the stands.

The big difference between then and now? JP's ability to get important facilities constructed and upgraded, and an underlying vibration, a sense, that we are moving forward. I believe JP has created an attitude of possibility that has energized we fans.

CPR's record the past three seasons: 3-9, 2-10, 3-9, and look at our terrific attendance records over those three years. A decade ago while fighting for our eighth win of the season, we had 38k in the stands, last fall we had record season-ticket sales DESPITE lackluster prospects. Something's different from then to now. . . .
 
We fans weren't showing up well before JP arrived, as best I can remember. DMac's Cyclones playing Missouri for the North Division title and we had 38k in the stands.

The big difference between then and now? JP's ability to get important facilities constructed and upgraded, and an underlying vibration, a sense, that we are moving forward. I believe JP has created an attitude of possibility that has energized we fans.

CPR's record the past three seasons: 3-9, 2-10, 3-9, and look at our terrific attendance records over those three years. A decade ago while fighting for our eighth win of the season, we had 38k in the stands, last fall we had record season-ticket sales DESPITE lackluster prospects. Something's different from then to now. . . .

I think both CPR and JP are good at selling hope and we went into this season with high hopes based on a more favorable schedule and a lot of returning key players. And the upgrades have no doubt been a big factor in attendance staying strong. We can thank JP, Sukup, the Riemanns, and especially the era of big tv contracts for that as there are major facility upgrades happening all over the country. But it's still the fans that play a big role in Hilton Magic, which started over 30 years ago, and we have attended bowl games in big numbers throughout our history. I think the Cyclone fan base has been very impressive throughout our history, despite a lot of dry spells.