Special Teams...

[MartyFine]

Special teams have killed ISU all year, and nothing has been done about it.

Wouldn’t be surprised if Campbell is going somewhere else with tonight’s performance, but if we’ll ever win anything we need to get better on special teams

 

[motorcy90]

Special teams have killed ISU all year, and nothing has been done about it.

Wouldn’t be surprised if Campbell is going somewhere else with tonight’s performance, but if we’ll ever win anything we need to get better on special teams

after tonight who would want him??

 

[stormchaser2014]

JP going to coach the bowl game?

 

[IASTATE07]

There is a plane going from Manhattan to Fayetteville. He gone.

 

[demoncore1031]

Special indeed.

 

[ABECyguy]

It’s frustrating that Campbell preaches winning in the margins, yet our special teams have been poor to average at best. Those are a huge part of the margins and yet we struggle in that aspect.

 

[Jayshellberg]

after tonight who would want him??

OMG

 

[KCClone1]

Our starting punter going down before the season was a big deal. It seems like we’ve had a ton of 15-20 yard punts this year.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

Special teams is awful, and can account for at least one of our losses (Iowa). However, I refuse to give Coach Heacock a free pass this year. He was instrumental in designing a defense to keep us competitive 2 years ago. Still pretty decent last season. But this season they have been a sieve. The 3 man front is old news, Jon. Everyone is doing it now. It is reminiscent of how Fred revolutionized college basketball with transfers, spacing the floor, and winning by trying to score more points as opposed to playing tough defense. It took a few years, but now everyone is doing it, and Fred is no longer special.

Jon needs to reach into his bag of tricks and find something new for this defense. Big 12 teams have seen it 3 years now, most have adopted it, and a few even do it better than we do. We went to a 3 man front when we didn't have the dudes on the d-line. Well, now we do. I'd love to see a more traditional defense, one that doesn't rely on just 3 guys beating 5, sometimes 6 guys to go get the QB. Fact is, we didn't have the guys in the second level this year to compensate only rushing 3. Harvey, Peavy, and Payne are what made that defense work, all were plus defenders in pass coverage. We replace them with underclassmen and less talented players like Lewis and Bickham. Frustrating to watch under-skilled offenses like Kansas and K-State feast on what is supposed to be a good defense

 

[cycloneML]

I about fell out of my chair when they kicked to Youngblood. Totally inexcusable.

 

[CloneAlta]

The performance of Sp (i.e., "unspecial") Team, Defense, Offense and Coaching last night and the week before was incredibly underwhelming and not up to everyone's expectations. It seemed like the team had just gotten news that one of their fellow players had been diagnosed with a fatal disease---they played like they were uninspired, like they had not been prepared for the game and like they were not focused and concentrating on their assignments. I consider that to be a coaching issue. I also agree with the suggestions about our defense. WHY do we stay in a 3 man front when the opposing team has a 3rd or 4th down and short yardage---an obvious running situation the majority of the time? The game last nigh reminded me of the last game Paul Rhodes coached for us at Manhattan!!

 

[JM4CY]

It’s frustrating that Campbell preaches winning in the margins, yet our special teams have been poor to average at best. Those are a huge part of the margins and yet we struggle in that aspect.

I wonder if Campbell knows that

 

[CyHans]

Our starting punter going down before the season was a big deal. It seems like we’ve had a ton of 15-20 yard punts this year.

I honestly feel better with this guy than our previous starter. (not naming names as they are still college kids) Remember the rugby style debacles from last year?

 

[EvilBetty]

Special teams is awful, and can account for at least one of our losses (Iowa). However, I refuse to give Coach Heacock a free pass this year. He was instrumental in designing a defense to keep us competitive 2 years ago. Still pretty decent last season. But this season they have been a sieve. The 3 man front is old news, Jon. Everyone is doing it now. It is reminiscent of how Fred revolutionized college basketball with transfers, spacing the floor, and winning by trying to score more points as opposed to playing tough defense. It took a few years, but now everyone is doing it, and Fred is no longer special.

Jon needs to reach into his bag of tricks and find something new for this defense. Big 12 teams have seen it 3 years now, most have adopted it, and a few even do it better than we do. We went to a 3 man front when we didn't have the dudes on the d-line. Well, now we do. I'd love to see a more traditional defense, one that doesn't rely on just 3 guys beating 5, sometimes 6 guys to go get the QB. Fact is, we didn't have the guys in the second level this year to compensate only rushing 3. Harvey, Peavy, and Payne are what made that defense work, all were plus defenders in pass coverage. We replace them with underclassmen and less talented players like Lewis and Bickham. Frustrating to watch under-skilled offenses like Kansas and K-State feast on what is supposed to be a good defense

a sieve?
ISU is FIRST in rush defense in the big 12 (also first in rush td allowed)
ISU is 3rd in scoring defense in the big 12

give me those stats with or without a 3 man front for the rest of my life. this, with recruiting classes ranked no better than 6th in the big 12. I'll let the coaches coach.
https://static.big12sports.com/custompages/pdfs/football/2019OverallStats.pdf

 

[EvilBetty]

The performance of Sp (i.e., "unspecial") Team, Defense, Offense and Coaching last night and the week before was incredibly underwhelming and not up to everyone's expectations. It seemed like the team had just gotten news that one of their fellow players had been diagnosed with a fatal disease---they played like they were uninspired, like they had not been prepared for the game and like they were not focused and concentrating on their assignments. I consider that to be a coaching issue. I also agree with the suggestions about our defense. WHY do we stay in a 3 man front when the opposing team has a 3rd or 4th down and short yardage---an obvious running situation the majority of the time? The game last nigh reminded me of the last game Paul Rhodes coached for us at Manhattan!!

as mentioned in another response. ISU ranks #1 in rush defense as well as rush TD allowed in big 12. last night ISU simply got beat. it happens.

 

[clonedude]

It’s frustrating that Campbell preaches winning in the margins, yet our special teams have been poor to average at best. Those are a huge part of the margins and yet we struggle in that aspect.

We are one of the worst teams I've seen this year at "winning in the margins".... and yet that is what CMC claims he preaches the most to his team.

 

[jsb]

I wonder if Campbell knows that

Probably not. We should email him.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

a sieve?
ISU is FIRST in rush defense in the big 12 (also first in rush td allowed)
ISU is 3rd in scoring defense in the big 12

give me those stats with or without a 3 man front for the rest of my life. this, with recruiting classes ranked no better than 6th in the big 12. I'll let the coaches coach.
https://static.big12sports.com/custompages/pdfs/football/2019OverallStats.pdf

Call it recency bias, maybe players are hurt, I don't know the answer... but this defense is not good. I don't care they can stuff runs on 1st down if they're gonna get gashed on 3rd down anyway. A Kansas state RB went untouched for 15 yards into the end zone 2x last night and pooka Williams averaged like 8 yards a carry last week. Defense may have been decent up till November, but it has fallen off tremendously and I don't know how anyone could deny that.

 

[twojman]

Special teams is awful, and can account for at least one of our losses (Iowa). However, I refuse to give Coach Heacock a free pass this year. He was instrumental in designing a defense to keep us competitive 2 years ago. Still pretty decent last season. But this season they have been a sieve. The 3 man front is old news, Jon. Everyone is doing it now. It is reminiscent of how Fred revolutionized college basketball with transfers, spacing the floor, and winning by trying to score more points as opposed to playing tough defense. It took a few years, but now everyone is doing it, and Fred is no longer special.

Jon needs to reach into his bag of tricks and find something new for this defense. Big 12 teams have seen it 3 years now, most have adopted it, and a few even do it better than we do. We went to a 3 man front when we didn't have the dudes on the d-line. Well, now we do. I'd love to see a more traditional defense, one that doesn't rely on just 3 guys beating 5, sometimes 6 guys to go get the QB. Fact is, we didn't have the guys in the second level this year to compensate only rushing 3. Harvey, Peavy, and Payne are what made that defense work, all were plus defenders in pass coverage. We replace them with underclassmen and less talented players like Lewis and Bickham. Frustrating to watch under-skilled offenses like Kansas and K-State feast on what is supposed to be a good defense

I'd rather talk about the offense...

Iowa, - 2 TO margin and multiple drives stopped in Iowa Territory
Baylor, ISU did not score in the first 3 quarters
OSU, 3 ints 4th qtr while defense gave up 3 points in the 2nd half. The offense gave up more points than the defense in the 2nd half!
OU, gave up a lot of points but it is OU
KSU, offense was beyond awful.
Bonus below!
vs. UNI the offense was terrible and offense vs. Texas disappeared for a good chunk of the game.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Holy hyperbole people. Take a deep breath. We're talking about 8-4 or 7-5. It's not like we were undefeated. This team has had the same problems all year, and I agree that is on the coaches. Hopefully Matt is coming back, in spite of all the whiners on here.