It's one thing to not understand it, it's another thing to act like you know the rule.
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It's one thing to not understand it, it's another thing to act like you know the rule.
Pretty sure I didn't threaten anyway or call anyone a name. Sorry if I called some people out for not knowing the rules.
There are thousands of ISU fans that know you can.
http://www.gsoa.org/basketball/blarge09.pdf
This is a pretty good writeup on it. It's not good practice - but if it happens its administered as a double foul. Guess you'd better hit the rule book.
There are thousands of ISU fans that know you can.
http://www.gsoa.org/basketball/blarge09.pdf
This is a pretty good writeup on it. It's not good practice - but if it happens its administered as a double foul. Guess you'd better hit the rule book.
Interesting interpretation. I would like to see what the NCAA or IAHSAA would say about it. I don't think they would say the same thing.
There are thousands of ISU fans that know you can.
http://www.gsoa.org/basketball/blarge09.pdf
This is a pretty good writeup on it. It's not good practice - but if it happens its administered as a double foul. Guess you'd better hit the rule book.
Even if that is correct, which I don't agree with, you still have point of interruption and NOT a jump ball.
Good find out of you, I'll give you rep for that! :yes:
it feels dirty.
yes, you are correct - its POI, but you didn't need to be a **** about it to kg. he's got feelings too man.
I did too read it. The "blarge" double foul administration is what is being interpreted. The POI and double foul reference to the rule book is right on but it says nothing in the rule book about a block/charge double foul.
If people are worried about their feelings being hurt on a message board then they need to grow up. This whole thread pisses me off because people think they know the rules and feel like the officials are screwing us over. In fact, we just aren't that good of a team.
They haven't been getting worse. The Texas game was probably the poorest officiated college game I've seen in my lifetime. (and I'm no kid) The Kansas game was also much worse than the K-State game, but not nearly as bad as the Texas game.
In the Texas and K-State games, the officiating was for the most part even. The KU game was horrible.
I can live with mediocre officiating as long as it doesn't benefit one team over the other, or decides the game at the end.
As the game gets more physical, the tougher the job gets if they don't call everything. It may take some 60 and 70 foul games before players have to change their game. That would make for some bad basketball from the fan's perspective, but allowing it to continue to deteriorate will result in a game which looks like the NBA, which would be worse from a fan's perspective.
IIRC right before that the OSU player had the ball at the top of the key. It looked like he started to pass the ball then caught it and started dribbling again. Later in the same sequence a guy on the left of the key picked up his dribble. Whoever was guarding him touched the ball then backed off. The guys drops the ball and starts dribbling. It's plays like these that drive me crazy. If the casual fan watching on TV can catch this what the heck are the Refs seeing? And I still cant believe they dont call traveling when either team catches the ball and takes four or five steps before they dribble or stop.
You are right and wrong. Double foul is point of interruption. However, you are wrong on your second point. If one official calls a block and the other a charge, the double foul IS the only remedy. Knowing the rules DOES help a lot.
Really? And how do you know this? Are you a big 12 official? Or are you just making random assumptions because you officiate JH games?
I've been to plenty of camps/clinics with collegiate-level officials speaking and evaluating. It's not hard to get "the drift" that they are told fouls are supposed to be close to even at the end of a game. I don't think one needs to be a Big 12 Official to see the obvious "even up the foul count" calls that are made when things get way off in terms of foul count. The most common way of evening things up is to call hand checks. You'll go an entire game without seeing one called and then all of a sudden you see 2 in a row called on some backup walk-on guard because the refs usually make sure they aren't putting a team at a disadvantage in calling these "touch" fouls on key players. It's a complete joke.
The problem in my mind, is not a matter whether a block/charge double foul is expressly defined, and even if an administrative procedure is provided, it's still crappy officiating. When you consider the basic premise of a charge - a player in control of the ball illegally initiating contact with a defender in a legal guarding position, and then consider the basic premise of a block - a defender illegally hindering the progress of a player in control of the ball, the two fouls are exclusive.
Either the defender was legally in position or he wasn't. I understand that two officials may see the play differently. But what should happen is they get together, figure out either who had the best view or figure out who had primary responsibility for the call and make a decision - block or charge. So yes, when both (or all three) officials have their collectively large egos stuck up each others rear end, and no one will back off, the we're left with the double foul as the only option.
It may not be a good analogy, but this wouldn't happen in baseball. If a runner and fielder collide, you have three choices - nothing, obstruction by the fielder, or interference by the runner. The umpires might initially disagree, but a decision one way or the other is going to be made. You won't have an obstruction and interference (by the same players against each other) on the same play. That's what basketball officials need to do as well - make a damn decision.
I guess I've never had the same experience. I will admit if I look up and see the fouls are 6-0 or something I'll look at the team with 0 a little closer, but you don't make **** up.
Just from a coaching standpoint, if you're 10 mins into the game and you have no fouls, its time to get out your guards ***** to start swiping harder at that ball and your posts to start dominating. Imagine what Gmac would say to Brackins or Hamilton if they ended the game with no fouls. I'm guessing "great job" would not be the first words out of his mouth. That's why fouls even up - because teams in foul trouble tend to start fouling less, and teams without get more aggressive.
Low foul basketball is usually either tentative play or a team that walks it up to a 3-pt oriented offense and doesn't press on the other end.
