I think Rocco has certain intangibles that will get him on a team with his current trajectory. Then, like Purdy, it's all about whether enough things happen to give him the opportunity.
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I wonder if Purdy’s success helps Rocco. Meaning someone sees similar tools, performance, and college program culture and takes a chance on him late seeing similarities to Brock.
Yeah I know it’s a real stretch to suggest 1st rounder but if Purdy does well the next 2 years & Rocco eclipses his personal record’s at ISU along with ISU consistently at the top of the Big 12 the next 2 years, it’s possible
Absolutely it can.
Campbell's Iowa State program gets players ready for the NFL. Cyclones who might not get looks elsewhere but spend/finish their career in Ames will at least have better chances of finding an NFL roster. That's one of the biggest accomplishments of Campbell's tenure.
Not bashing Rocco, but let’s put this in perspective.
Over the last 10 drafts there has been 3.4 QBs taken in first round each year. Last year was an anomaly with 6.
Rocco would have to be absolutely lights out to be one of the first 3 QBs off the board and that’s if his size doesn’t hold him back.
Over the last 10 drafts there has been 3.4 QBs taken in first round each year. Last year was an anomaly with 6.
Rocco would have to be absolutely lights out to be one of the first 3 QBs off the board and that’s if his size doesn’t hold him back.
He technically was on the full roster, yes, but there was a weird situation with the QBs his rookie year. He was 3rd string, and 99% of teams only carry 2 active QBs. He was essentially on the practice squad. Either way my point is, he's going to have to work hard and get lucky.
I take it you don’t remember Lynch bringing up the conversation shanahan had with him when he said he felt their 3rd string was their best QB. So while 3rd, he was far from the practice squad.
I mean ok? My point had nothing to do with the exact path Brock went through. More the general have to outwork everyone, get lucky, and take advantage of your opportunity. No team is just going to hand the keys to Rocco, just like Purdy didn't.
He's on pace to break the passing yards record, but it's mostly because he's on pace to have many more games than Brock (assuming he plays 4 seasons). Purdy didn't start right away.
There's really only 2 QBs in the "GOAT of ISU" conversation already and it's Brock & Rocco (assuming he plays even middling 3rd and 4th season).
Brock avg'd about 30 more passing yards per game, has a somewhat better QB Rating and what he was REALLY good at was completion %. Rocco trails Brock in career completion percentage 60.7% to 67.7%. This was kinda the think Blum & CW were touching on in the post game. The next evolution of Rocco needs to be bumping up that comp % if he wants to improve because most of the rest of his game is really high level.
Rocco and Brock are in a dead heat in TDs & INTs, Rocco is ahead in wins (if you want to argue that's a QB stat)
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Rocco's completion percentage is actually very low for today's game. The average QB is probably at 62 or 63% and Rocco is under 60 for the year. Strange when you consider he has 2 amazing WRs and good TEs. So that is something to work on in the off season.
Yes, Rocco will probably break some records because he will likely play in more games and have more pass attempts.
Gotta put Seneca in the "GOAT" conversation also. Stat-wise he's not as good as Brock or Rocco, but he only played 2 years at ISU and the game was a lot different than it is now. Hell, Dekkers had one of the best seasons for an ISU QB as far as stats go, but he is nowhere near being one of our best QBs.
Look at our record book. The career top 10 in receptions, receiving yards and receiving TDs is mostly Campbell guys, because of the way the game is now.
Troy Davis broke all the rushing records and people may forget he was only playing 11 game seasons.
Absolutely does. Have heard some national guys say Rocco has the same mental make up as Purdy. They say Rocco will be in the NFL
Reads the game and makes good decisions with the occasional Brain cramp.
Dekkers "had one of the best seasons" if you ignore interceptions ... which most people don't lol.
I wonder if Seneca and Purdy kinda suffered the label of not being 'clutch' because they'd raised their teams so high above the typical ISU ceiling that it was pretty easy to slip and come crashing back. The program under Campbell has been trying to build that floor sturdier than its ever been in the past, so hopefully the team doesn't "need a hero" as often.
Eras are definitely hard to compare, I'll always have soft spots for Troy, Sage, Seneca, etc. but I don't think you can argue that Purdy, and most likely Rocco are a new level of QB.
All I'm going to say is that if Brock Purdy earned the nickname BCB (Big **** Brock) then Rocco has more than earned BCR (Big ****'o Rocco)
GW drives vs Iowa, UCF, Utah, Miami. I felt that Heacock had coached like Tech had 1 minute to go and 1 timeout...but they instead had 2 minutes and 2 timeouts to work with. That would have been another GW drive.
Let's not forget the KSU game. Got the offense in place for a chip shot FG with 5 or so minutes left to go when the game was really hanging in the balance. 6 really clutch 4th qtr drives this year. If the O wasn't so clutch this might have been another 7-5/8-4 season. Not bagging on ISU, but this type of season has repeatedly been in reach, just usually came up short.
Also props to the team for fewest penalty yards in CFB. That was huge as well. Also look at ISU's run defense and check the records of teams with similar struggles. Many of those teams were winning 3, 4, or 5 games at best not just in P4 but G5 leagues. 10-2 with one of the worst P4 run defenses is kinda insane.
I'm kinda worried about the defense next year, but if the LBs are all healthy I think the run defense will be drastically improved. Seemed all year there was never a LB in the right spot or they just couldn't tackle a RB in space. We're not used to seeing that at ISU the last 7-8 years.
Let's not forget the KSU game. Got the offense in place for a chip shot FG with 5 or so minutes left to go when the game was really hanging in the balance. 6 really clutch 4th qtr drives this year. If the O wasn't so clutch this might have been another 7-5/8-4 season. Not bagging on ISU, but this type of season has repeatedly been in reach, just usually came up short.
Also props to the team for fewest penalty yards in CFB. That was huge as well. Also look at ISU's run defense and check the records of teams with similar struggles. Many of those teams were winning 3, 4, or 5 games at best not just in P4 but G5 leagues. 10-2 with one of the worst P4 run defenses is kinda insane.
I'm kinda worried about the defense next year, but if the LBs are all healthy I think the run defense will be drastically improved. Seemed all year there was never a LB in the right spot or they just couldn't tackle a RB in space. We're not used to seeing that at ISU the last 7-8 years.
Rocco's got the talent just needs to work on some of the touch passes and taking what is there and not thinking everything has to be a home run.
His drive and determination is already top level. A little improvement in the finesse game? Yowza.
His drive and determination is already top level. A little improvement in the finesse game? Yowza.
Dekkers seemed fine between the 20s, but was god awful inside the 20. However He's probably the only ISU QB ever to lead a 99 TD drive the hawks, so there's that. Had a 1K yard received as well. I figured he's mature in year 2, but we never got to see it.
