Cyclonepride
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He was brought in to bring the attitude and effort that TJ wanted in his team
Robert Jones Improvement
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This is a total BS. We had big men in the past that were much worse than Jones. He managed to hit 50 and 47% of his shots in his first 2 years at ISU, not great but bad.
Cyclonepride
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Not sure why you're quoting me there. I thought Rob performed just fine from the start. He was a bit raw offensively, and rushed it a bit, but his work ethic made him a + player in my book.
I didn’t mean to quote you here. I responded to “he had no business being on the court”. Jones is a good defensive player with decent post moves. We had many big men with absolutely no post moves in the past, some of them only did short jump shots.
I love Rob but 50% and below for a big man taking a large majority of his shots at the rim is not very good
I can still like him and be objective about something that wasn't where you'd want it to be last year.
I bet Jones will get an NBA tryout with the way his season is going. 6'10" and quick enough to play the pick and role a bit. He's almost always in the right position defensively, very smart. Quick hands too.
I'd give credit to Coach Green. He seems like one of those UNI post players that end up being all conference for them.
I'd give credit to Coach Green. He seems like one of those UNI post players that end up being all conference for them.
I know last season his individual statistics still looked bad, but some underlying numbers showed huge improvement in his importance to the team. Per cbbanalytics.com, last season he had the team's third-best on/off net rating difference (behind Grill and Kalscheur). That was a huge improvement on his first year, when he was the worst on the team on the metric, and this year he's improved further to second best (behind Momcilovic).
Those numbers are noisy, especially compared to looking at the same data in the NBA, since the college season is so much shorter and there's a lot more variation in the quality of opponents that can swing the numbers for individual players. But I think his improvement there is very real, and I think his on/off numbers last year did capture his hustle and ability to be in the right place, which isn't recorded in a typical box score.
Those numbers are noisy, especially compared to looking at the same data in the NBA, since the college season is so much shorter and there's a lot more variation in the quality of opponents that can swing the numbers for individual players. But I think his improvement there is very real, and I think his on/off numbers last year did capture his hustle and ability to be in the right place, which isn't recorded in a typical box score.
The thing about BRE is he plays extremely hard every minute he's on the court and for a big guy plays a lot of mins. During that time he is constantly working and that is draining on other bigs.
He is unrelenting and you can tell it grinds down opposing big guys. I do not doubt other 5's hate playing against us because of BRE. He out works them.
He is unrelenting and you can tell it grinds down opposing big guys. I do not doubt other 5's hate playing against us because of BRE. He out works them.
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Always been a Big Rob fan!While this year might be a bit skewed due to no Big 12 opponents yet, its still remarkable how far he has come since his first year here. Props to him and the coaching staff coaching him up.
Robert Jones - Iowa State Cyclones Forward - ESPN
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GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS 8 22.1 71.4 0.0 50.0 4.8 0.8 1.0 1.3 2.0 0.5 8.9 33 17.0 47.1 0.0 40.3 3.8 0.9 0.4 0.7 2.7 1.4 5.7 34 12.1 50.0 0.0 29.7 2.4 0.8 0.4 0.4 1.8 0.8 2.9
Having better talent helps. Bob is getting better opportunities, in part due to the players around him.
As a noted BRE detractor (last two years), the most notable improvements have been with his footwork (speed) and decision making. Probably his biggest liability was the propensity to try to force and bulldoze his way to the basket. Bob got the ball, labored to try to create separation, then through up some BS shot under duress, travelled, or became enveloped in a double team.
This year Bob's footwork is infinitely better, something that screams massive offseason work. He looks more cut, meaning he likely has less body fat and more muscle for explosion. Now when Bob gets the ball he makes his moves quick. Typically the results have ALWAYS been positive for Bob when he went quick. The problem last year was he often held the ball too long, was reluctant to kick out, or didn't have the explosiveness when needed. Now he's making moves and getting the ball of quick or trying and kicking it out. I'm highlighting this as the Bob of old would rarely kick it out. He was either shooting or turning the ball over. Now he's much more in the flow of the game.
I'd also like to thank Bob for dunking the ******* ball this year. I've never seen a 6' 10" player so content to try layups, and miss them, like Bob did. It was like having flashbacks of Melvin Ejim every time he laid up. Now he's dunking the ball when it can be and this has probably earned him, roughly, an extra bucket a game. Good lord if BRE didn't miss (on average) 1-2 bunnies a game, with an least one of them being dunkable. Throw it down, BRE!
He has the MIP team award on lockdown and should get serious consideration for MIP in the Big 12 if he keeps it up. Thanks for getting better, Bob!
Why Jones does not press charges for assault is beyond me. Why the refs didn't send Dunn to the locker room also.
